First Gen Dually wheels?

[mrpbody]

I went to the local tire shop today to check on a set of new wheels for my 93-2x4 Dually, and was amazed when they told me that they don’t make them. They explained to me the wheels are “coined” (meaning the wheels center on themselves not the center hub of the brake drum) and are different than the newer 1994 and up models. I guess what gets me is that Dodge made abazillion of these trucks over the years and (nobody) makes wheels for them.

Does anybody know where to find wheels that will fit these years that will not cost an arm and a leg or somebody that makes adapters for the center hubs?





marty

 

[tugboatphil]

Marty,



I got this site from here last year. They did have a replacement OEM steel wheel for our trucks.



Good Luck!



http://www.southwestwheel.com/

 

[Philip]

I am using a set of American racing alumn rims from a Chevy C30 dually on my 93 W350. I used then on the C30 for 4 years. They have been on my W350 for 7 years now.



Yes our stock steel rims are coined. But the alumn rims center off the lug nuts. Not the coins. Just releave the back side of the outer rims to go over the steel coins on the inner rims and your set to go. Make sure to releave the ones that line up with our centering pin.

 

[1stgen4evr]

89-93 dualy wheels

I gota' believe that someone is jerking your chain with the claim that these wheels are no longer made. But certainly they are expensive new. I have used some later model wheels but modified them for my first gen application.



I drilled the stud hole size to the correct diameter for the first gen. I also did a countersink on two opposing holes for the alignment (tapered) nuts. You can leave the tapered nuts in place or after torquing the others, exchange those for the footed nuts. Properly torqued, nothing will get out of alignment. I use these wheels on the front to avoid the problem of matching the coining in the dual application at the rear axle. I have had a pair running for some four or five years now and have had zero problems.



Significantly in regard to the wheel problem is the fact that over time, there seems to be one or more wheel that gets so far distorted that it is impossible to balance the tire and wheel such that it will run without shaking the truck. I have noted that this seems to occur on the front where the single wheel takes the entire jolt of a pot hole or other roadway distortion. (Some of our interstates are becoming one continuous road hazzard. ) This leads to accelerated wear on all the front end parts not to mention being wholly annoying on long drive.



I recently replaced the tires on the front of one of my 93s. I checked 11 wheels (spin balance with the tire off) to get two that were the best of the bunch (least up and down as well as side wobble). All these wheels had some side wobble and some up and down motion. One had a distinctly flat area. These conditions will not be as clearly evident with the tire mounted. I then mounted TOYO radials on those two and after driving the truck I can say without reservation that I have never driven a dually that was better. In fairness I would have to point out that I did two things and can't say that the tires or the wheels are the reason for the greatly improved ride. I strongly suspect that both contribute some influence.



I just bought a salvage dually and will be checking to see if I have any 'good' wheels in the six of those. I also plan to build a straightning jig to force the warped wheels back to a 'run true' condition. I will report on that project as it progresses.



If I could afford the aluminums, I would like to do what Philip did. I have also talked southwest wheel and last year, they had our wheels.



I have a friend who owns an automotive service center and he has tire mounting and balancing equipment. I go there and work on a trade out time basis for the use of the lift and other tools I need to keep these antiques in good order. Saves some real money for me and him as well.



The tire man you talked with shows his lack of complete knowlege with these wheels. They do not center 'on themselves' but align from the coined area around the stud holes into the corresponding area in the hubs, front and rear. If you can bring him up to speed, let him do your work, if not, find another shop.



James

 

[Philip]

1stgen



When I bought this set. I didn't have much choice. That 72 C30 had a set of split rims on it. It needed rubber. I didn't want bios ply tires anymore. Plus the only shop that would touch split rims around here was the local truck stop. I priced stock steel rims. They were $93. each for tubeless 16" rims plus new lug nuts. I bought the alumn's for $112. each with nuts and caps included. So for a measely $19. more per rim I went with the alumn's. Then I got lucky and found a pair of blem rims new for $60. each that had scratched paint on them. LOL

 

[MOverton]

Wheels and Tires

Marty,



If you are interested there are some wheel and tires for a dually in the classified section. They are on the second page of wheel section. Hope this helps.

 

[mrpbody]

Thanks for all the advice on the wheels. I forgot to mention that I was looking for aftermarket aluminum wheels, more specifically that Alcoa Hotshots. I will probably take philps and 1stgens information to a machine shop and see what they can do for me to make them work. It all makes sense to me why it wouldn't work. Thanks again.



marty

 

[Philip]

Marty



You don't need a machine shop to counter bore the coins into the back of the rear rims. They will not be used to center the outer rim. I just used a die grinder with a carbide burr and made it a clearence fit over the coins.



Here is a link that shows my rims.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111264&highlight=alumn+rims

 

[mysteryman]

They are full of sh** ! I buy the Hays 235 wheel all the time. I just got six last week in fact... . I think my cost was 68. 00 each. See my post on this at

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133530



If you can't find them pm me and I'll get you the part #. .



The guy that told you they are not available does not get around much. LOL

I went to the local tire shop today to check on a set of new wheels for my 93-2x4 Dually, and was amazed when they told me that they don’t make them. They explained to me the wheels are “coined” (meaning the wheels center on themselves not the center hub of the brake drum) and are different than the newer 1994 and up models. I guess what gets me is that Dodge made abazillion of these trucks over the years and (nobody) makes wheels for them.

Does anybody know where to find wheels that will fit these years that will not cost an arm and a leg or somebody that makes adapters for the center hubs?





marty

 

[ESchoon]

Has anyone with a dually run the 235 tires on the 215 dually rims? If so how much do you haul weight wise? Wanting the 235s, but don't want to buy 6 new rims.



Thanks,



Eric

 

[Philip]

I have 235's on my truck. I have had 6,000 lbs in the bed before. I have pulled up to 12k in a trailer before.



Tire wear is normal for a dually. I have 50% thread left with 40k on them. I rotate ever 10 to 15K.



The tires did not touch under load if thats what your wondering about.



Most of use go to 235's when we first got our trucks. 215's look like donuts on my 4X4 dually. LOL

 

[1stgen4evr]

Been using 235s for years. Completely satisfied. Pump them up to 80- 85 pounds on the rear and they definitely won't touch. I sometimes load the snot out of my truck but mostly am pulling trailer weight.



James

 

[Rebel Ram]

Good thread. I got four Dually wheels @ PnP for $10. 00 a piece. Problem is they were off a Cheby. They do not have the cup and peak pattern or coin as put earlier, Flat as can be. However the center hole is to small for my axle. I like the shape better as they are more conical than dished. Trying to figure out how to enlarge the center accurately so they can be balanced when I get new Tires.

 

[Philip]

Those rims must have came off of a later model Chevy with the metric pattern. My rims came off of a 72 Chevy dually. All I had to do was get different lug nuts. The chevy used 9/16's studs and my Dodge uses 5/8's studs. That hurt to. Those lugs nuts were $3. 00 a piece X 32.



Any machine shop worth anything can open the center hole for you. At the same time just have them machine a relief cut to clear the coins on your inner rims.

 

[1stgen4evr]

Rebel Ram, I have Cheby wheels on the front of my dually without any problem. I did very slightly countersink two opposing holes to use with cone nuts to align the wheels on the hub. This only gets you two wheels (off the front) to use on the back however. I have also used a pair of later model Dodge wheels by drilling out the lug holes to the larger size hole. This is also quite easy to do with a medium size drill press.



I would be very careful as to who I let open the center hole since it really has to be dead center or it will never balance. I am a machinist and have a lathe at home but it isn't big enough to swing the dually wheel. But yes, that can definitely be done. There are lots of shops that have a sign which says 'Machine Shop' that I would not allow to do this job.



James

 

[ESchoon]

Thanks for the info guys, that's what I wanted to know if they would rub or not.



Eric

 

[mysteryman]

wheels

You can use the 94 wheels on the first gen trucks. . The main difference is that the 94 has no coin. It is just flat around the lug holes. If your truck is dual wheel you must use pairs of the aftermarket wheels together... . In other words... ... Do not use one stock wheel against one aftermarket wheel !!!!



Things you need to check on the aftermarket wheel before you buy.

1) the stud holes will need to be 5/8 ths. for 1 tons or 1/2" for 3/4 on



2) be sure that there is a large enough flat area around the lug hole for your

stock lug nuts to tighten down onto for 1 ton. . you will need new larger od lug nuts for 3/4 ton



3) be sure that your studs are going to be long enough to go threw the wheels



4) If the wheel you want uses cone/tapered lugs and your truck uses coin nuts

you will need to get new nuts. . Tell the parts counter man that you need nuts for an early 1970's 3/4 or 1 ton single wheel truck. The nuts are 5/8's 18 threads per inch with a 45 degree taper. Chevy used the lugs also but they had a 60 degree taper.



Kelsey Hayes still makes a special steel wheel for dual wheel trucks that will take the 235 x 85-16" tire... . (The stock wheels will only take up to 215)



If you need new wheels I would buy them and put stainless liners on them to make them look good...



I posted some tech info on hubs and wheels in the past... Take a look at those posts for more .



If you have any more questions on wheels and hubs PM me or send me your # and I will call you... .

I went to the local tire shop today to check on a set of new wheels for my 93-2x4 Dually, and was amazed when they told me that they don’t make them. They explained to me the wheels are “coined” (meaning the wheels center on themselves not the center hub of the brake drum) and are different than the newer 1994 and up models. I guess what gets me is that Dodge made abazillion of these trucks over the years and (nobody) makes wheels for them.

Does anybody know where to find wheels that will fit these years that will not cost an arm and a leg or somebody that makes adapters for the center hubs?





marty