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I just changed the oil after purchasing my used '99 Quad cab with 73,000 mi. The oil was black as night in color and appeared to have sooty-like black specks in it. Is this normal. I have heard some people say that diesel oil turns dark right after you change it. Is this correct? I don't know when the last oil change was since I bought it used from a Ford dealer. What should the oil look like after a 7,500mi interval?

By the way, since the oil seemed so dirty, I poured a gallon of Rotella-T in the crankcase to try to flush the motor out and then I let the engine drain for 45min before installing a Fleetgaurd filter and DELVAC 1.
 
Do your engine and yourself a favor, next oil change, guess it's a bit late for this one, take a sample 'mid stream' of the oil, that is, and send it out to the link below. If you contact them before hand, they will send out a container and mailer to return the sample for analysis. The cost is around $18. 00 or so. Well worth it rather than second guessing. I change my oil every 3000 miles, looks black as black can be, but the analysis is great to have and good insurance . Here's the link to Blackstone, there are other Co. 's that do it as well.....



http://www.blackstone-labs.com/index.html



Scott W.
 
I know of some guys that run longer intervals... up to 10,000 miles. I hate that! I changed mine every 3500 miles. I just changed over to Amsoil...coming up on 3,000 and have not decided what I will do.



Mine was always blacker at 3500 miles than I would ever get with my old gassers.
 
Black Diesel oil is normal. The specs you were seeing good have been soot. A bypass filter setup will take care of that. The thing about Oil most people dont realise is that oil does not really go bad, it just becomes contaminated. So, as long as you filter it properly and monitor it for any contaminants that would indicate a serious problem, there is no real need to change it so often.

I spent almost 10 years as a Locomotive mechanic working on engines that cost as much as $800,000 and they NEVER do oil changes on them. Every Locomotive Diesel Engine has a "Lube oil sampling valve" that can take a sample mid stream in the oil. This is done every 92 days and the sample is sent to a lab. As long as the lab shows no signs of serious contaminanats (Fuel, coolant, etc. ), the oil will not be drained. All we would do is change the filters (There are 10 in a large housing plus 2 strainers) every 92days. I have seen locomotives with hundreds of thousands of miles with the original oil. Not to mention how many hours they sit idling (WEEKS at at time!!). It is just topped off when nessecary. The average lube oil capacity in a Locomitive is about 400 gallons. This acts like a buffer against small quantities of contaminants. An ISB only has 11 quarts, so i would not go with NEVER changing the oil in one. I know the Ram is does not have a Locomotive engine (It would be cool though)But they are both diesels, and that is what matters.

In a Ram that is not "Beaten" on or towing constantly, you can EASILY go 7,000 miles between oil changes. That is actually a minumum. Changing it more often then that is honestly wasteful (This is fact, not opinion). The oil has barley begun to start picking up exxcessive dirt. And if you are using good filters like the Stratapore, you are fine. Diesels burn alot cleaner then gas engines, its just people see black oil and think its really dirty, but its not. That interval can be extended even longer with the use of a Bypass setup, and even longer still with the use of Synthetics. If you dont mind changing your oil every 7-10k miles then a Bypass filter or Synthetics are not worth the investment. But if you plan on driving long distances and dont want to have to find a place to do oil changes, or are just too busy. A Bypass system and Synthetics can extend you drain interval to 20k miles or more. Provided you are doing lube oil samples. This is a MUST if you are going to go to extened drain intervals since a serious contamination problem will not be noticed and will do damage before your next oil change. That is the key to extended drain intervals, the sampling. Every 6-10k miles is good, and be sure NOT to get samples from anywhere there may be sediment, like the drain plug. You will get inaccurate readings. Use a dipstick sample kit of a sampling valve.

Oil standards have gotten so high and engines are running so clean that 3K miles oil changes are really not nessecary anymore. Even Dodge reccomends 7k oil changes. The only people who think this is a BAD idea are the oil change places like Jiffy lube, and i Dont think i have to tell you why they think its a BAD idea. I have an Amsoil dual Bypass and i am running Rotalla 15w-40 and doing 10k oil changes. My last sample came back fine. I could have left it in longer. The Cummins is so easy to change the oil on since the ground clearence is so high that i keep wanting to change it more often, just to have something to do. I try and resist the urge and spend the money i would use for oil and filters someplace else. We are changing our tow trucks oil every 10k miles and these trucks are towing EVERY DAY in stop and go traffic and are usually being driven by young aggressive drivers who dont know the meaning of "Take it easy"

There is alot of information on this subject on other threads and other websites. Its worth checking out.
 
I agree with you EMD. Oil refining/production has come a long way... this isn't 1955! I really hate hearing stories of people wasting resources. We drive DIESELS,there's no need to waste our precious oil supply! All I ask is,if you're doing 3k mi oil changes,then why waste your money and time sending in a sample? The oil hasn't been in there long enough to pick up hardly any contaminants. If the sample is clean,leave it in! That's the beauty of a diesel!



Another thing I hate hearing... somone spends $500 bucks in mods to gain 1 mile per gallon on fuel,but blows money on oil "because it's cheap". :rolleyes:



I do 7500-8000mi changes on Delo. At that interval my diesels are still clean!



-Mike
 
EMD, MikeR, etc. .



You guys make some good points... however, I have changed oil in my rigs every 3000-3500 miles since 1971. I guess old habits die hard, I just can't get myself to go longer.

Since I changed to Amsoil, I will extend that a bit. I am going to change the filter at 5000, then oil and filter at 10,000. That is a big step for me! After a few of these, I will re-evaluate it.



Wasting resources? Maybe. But there are lots of ways we all waste them, from lights on in the house to taking a Sunday drive for no reason. How about driving down the road at 80mph... that is rarely a good spedd for mileage.



Anyway, to each there own!
 
I send my oil in so that I can monitor the wear metals. If you want to change you oil every 10,000 miles because you run a 'bypass' filter or synthetic, knock yourself out. Spare me on the waste of precious resources bit. I bought a diesel so that I could pull a trailer, not go 10,000 miles between oil changes.



Scott W.
 
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