First time load for the HX40

[RVTRKN]

RShipp, I'll never get into your business no matter what you pull, I'm just stating the facts. If your axle weights (not the manufacture GCVWR) are overweight and DOT inspects your rig there will be a fine, no mater what State your in. One of the benefits of TDR is an educational point of view, there is no reason to offend someone giving advise. If there is an accident, there can be excessive fines as well as jail time. Even if its not your fault, and I can imagine a idiot cutting you off trying to get to an exit. Here in So. Ca. , there are gang members who will do this, so you rear end them and then sue you. If your over DOT regs you can lose everything you own because they don't care what happens to you.



Now that my fingers are starting to get tired, I need to get back to the EGT of your setup. If you pull over Dodges GCVWR the EGT will be over the safe operating temperatures for the turbo as well as the exhaust system, and I want to thank you for your experiment. That is the educational side of TDR working for all of us. My C&C is permitted for 26K and I've been looking into this very subject, I just don't very often tow over the GCVWR. If I do pull over the GCVWR, I keep my RPM's in the 2200/2500 RPM range to increase the air flow to help in EGT's. I do need to install a pyro gage, but just haven't as of yet but it is in my near future to do this. The biggest problem is the DPF system on my 6. 7 and the warranty issues, as well as the fact that the system runs hotter to keep the DPF clean. I'm worried if I change the turbo setup or whatever helps to keep the EGT cooler, I'll have problems because it will run cooler causing the DPF to never clean itself.

 

[RShipp]

You won't be able to change to turbo on your 6. 7 It requires a variable geometry turbo for the EGR. You might be able to put a bigger VGT on it, but I don't know how the programming language would go. I'm not an electrical engineer. I stick with the mechanical side of things. As for your 04. 5, the only reason I went with the 40 was the exceptional deal I got. Many folks on here say that the shaft will snap at the turbine wheel. A chance I'm willing to take. At least when it snaps there it won't ruin anything internally. 300 bucks sounds much nicer than 1600. If it does go, I'll post it up.



Now, with all this talk about GCVW. I still don't think you all are getting the picture. My registration, the one issued by the court house, has a registered weight on it. It's not 21,000 lbs. Way more. I think that legally explains all of this DOT talk. Like I said, in my state laws are different, just like any other state. Quoting me laws from other states, from people who don't share the same laws, are invalid. Forgive me if I may sound hasty, but unless you are educated in the laws of Kentucky, you are trying to feed me a load of bull. I would post a pic of the registration, but I'm sure some loser identity theft guy would have a field day.

 

[Ramtough]

"the average farmer/rancher or contractor pulls heavy for a living. folks like this are experienced at what they are doing. just because a farm hand is loading a truck trailer combo to more then the factory rateings, dosent automaticly make him more dangerous"



What this guy is doing is arrogant and stupid. It's not a matter of how experienced he is, it is a matter of him having respect for the other innocent potential victims he encounters on the public (our) highways. If he wants to load a pickup truck 2X or more beyond its design capacity on his private farm, I could care less. On the highway, he's endangering everyone he encounters. I have worked in several trauma centers and I've never seen anyone who was the victim of a major trauma get up in the morning and say, "I think I'll take a ride in a medical helicopter today. "



The farmer may think he's safe but like I told my kids when they were teenage drivers, you can defy the laws of man but you cannot defy the laws of physics. Running on a public road with tires, brakes, etc. way over their rated capacity is a recipe for a disaster. The farmer should be using a medium duty truck and when he causes a tragedy, he'll have the rest of his life to think about it providing he's not the victim. There are plenty of reasons why manufactures rate their products for certain duty levels and why insurnace companies will cancel any truck/trailer combination that does not match.

 

[RVTRKN]

"the average farmer/rancher or contractor pulls heavy for a living. folks like this are experienced at what they are doing. just because a farm hand is loading a truck trailer combo to more then the factory rateings, dosent automaticly make him more dangerous"



What this guy is doing is arrogant and stupid. It's not a matter of how experienced he is, it is a matter of him having respect for the other innocent potential victims he encounters on the public (our) highways. If he wants to load a pickup truck 2X or more beyond its design capacity on his private farm, I could care less. On the highway, he's endangering everyone he encounters. I have worked in several trauma centers and I've never seen anyone who was the victim of a major trauma get up in the morning and say, "I think I'll take a ride in a medical helicopter today. "



The farmer may think he's safe but like I told my kids when they were teenage drivers, you can defy the laws of man but you cannot defy the laws of physics. Running on a public road with tires, brakes, etc. way over their rated capacity is a recipe for a disaster. The farmer should be using a medium duty truck and when he causes a tragedy, he'll have the rest of his life to think about it providing he's not the victim. There are plenty of reasons why manufactures rate their products for certain duty levels and why insurnace companies will cancel any truck/trailer combination that does not match.

As long as he is within the axle/tire ratings for each axle and his registration is current for the weight, he is legal as well as safe. The brakes are rated for each axle and that is at the weight rating, and is very safe. Now as far as the Manufacture GCVWR ratings, it only pertains to warranty except the axle ratings, which DOT goes by, and is posted on your driverside door. When I registered my 3500 for 26k, my insurance agent said he would not be able to issue a policy, until he contacted his underwriters.

 

[JUeckert]

this thread brings up memories of so many threads i have read and in some cases posted on so many times. there are some good points made here by many. but some comments need to be clarified. b. t. w keep in mind i mentioned in a earlier post, i seldom mentioned my weights, this thread is a reminder for me. first the d. o. t looks at registered weights. if mr d. o. t is having a bad day, he breaks out the scales, or has you follow him to a set of scales. if you are not registered for enough weight[ what your carrying, regardless of what the manufatuer says] you can get a ticket. second, again if he's haveing a bad day, he's going to weigh each axle, if you dont exceed the weight capacity of the axel's, or the tires, your ok. a heavy load can be carried legally if these requirments are met. now having said this, regardless of the registered weight, or type of registration, if you are over the manufactures weight limits and get into an accident, any proper accident investigation will leave you in tears. farm tags use to mean and to some degree still means the law leaves you alone. but over the years in my region, this has changed some. also the comments on medium trucks, a medium truck does not in itself insure you are any safer hauling said load. all mediums are not created equally. nearly every time the d. o. t pulls me over for a spot chk, wether i'am ranching that day, or contracting, i just about learn something new. some food for thought: ford rates the towing capaity of a f350 with 4. 30 gears higher then the same truck with 4. 10 gears. what makes the truck with 4. 30 gears any safer towing a HEAVIER load?

 

[RVTRKN]

JUeckert, you are right on the money except for the accident investigation, unless your talking about being over the axle weight ratings. A $1,000,000. 00 insurance policy for commercial hauling does not care about the manufactures GCVWR, only the axle rating and your registered weight.

 

[RShipp]

I'm done arguing with these sign holders. I'm going to continue running loads that I want and it doesn't really matter what anyone says. My paper work is current and I haven't broken and registered wieght limits.



Oh, and since farmers make SO much money, I'll think I'll go and pick me out a medium duty truck. Wait a minute, grain prices down, diesel prices up, seed prices up, hay prices up, cattle prices down..... hmm. Damn, that medium duty truck is looking like a bad idea. I got an idea. Ramtough, since you are so concerned with my safety and the safety of others, you can finance my new F750. Just let me know when the check is in the mail, so I can put the order into the factory. Did I just see a pig go flying by?

 

[JUeckert]

JUeckert, you are right on the money except for the accident investigation, unless your talking about being over the axle weight ratings. A $1,000,000. 00 insurance policy for commercial hauling does not care about the manufactures GCVWR, only the axle rating and your registered weight.

being over axle rateing's and tires rateing's is exactly what i'am speaking of. insurance companies or a savy lawyer gets hold of this info, and the finger gets pointed . case in point, gun companies get sued when some a** hole shoots someone in a robbery. mcdonalds gets sued when some idoit customer spills ronalds' hot coffee in their lap, etc; i can give you examples of two different local accident's that involved commerical type trucks, these trucks were not at fault, but they were drug over the coals looking for an excuse to share the blame. i share the same challenges with ranching as mr. shipp, any thousands of others also. i have been able to add few heavier trucks to the fleet over the years, but my contracting buisness made this possible, certainly not ranching. when the trucks are available, i use them, when not, my one tons get loaded up. b. t. w, still looking for the answer to the 4. 30 gears question in my previous post.

 

[RShipp]

I'm sure someone will try to convince us that if you have 4. 30 gears then you have more of a mechanical advantage through the transmission for more effective compression braking. Just watch, someone will try.

 

[RVTRKN]

Thats why I have a $1,000,000. 00 policy because the ambulance chasers knows where the money is. RShipp, please don't give them any ideas and another way to dig into my pockets.

 

[JUeckert]

I'm sure someone will try to convince us that if you have 4. 30 gears then you have more of a mechanical advantage through the transmission for more effective compression braking. Just watch, someone will try.

ha, you read my mind. i've been expecting that reply. this turned into a fairly heated thread on another site about a year ago. there is nothing about that 4. 30 geared truck that makes it any safer to pull a heavier trailer, but it carries a higher gvwr!

 

[ENafziger]

RShipp,

Thanks for posting your information and findings. Keep up the hard work!

--Eric