Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Fleetguard and warranty, according to my dealer.

[Mtngoat]

Flletguard and warranty, according to my dealer.

When I first bought my truck, I took it to my local dealer for its oil change. I asked him about Fleetguard oil filters and he told me that warranty only covers genuine Mopar filters and any others are not recommended for use on the CTD. Can that be right?



Robin

 

[B9Mile]

From TSB 09-0004=01:



RECOMMENDED OIL FILTERS FOR USE WITH CUMMINS 5. 9L DIESEL ENGINE:



Part Number Manufacturer

05016547AC Mopar

LF3894 Fleetguard Stratopore

LF3552 Fleetguard Microglass

LF3949 Fleetguard Cellulose

3937695 Cummins Cellulose

FL896 MotorCraft Cellulose

L45335 Purolator Cellulose

PF1070 AC Delco Cellulose



I would say Fleetguard makes all of the other branded filters on this list, since I doubt if DC would spent the $$ for testing other manufacturer's filters.





http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2001/09-004-01.htm

 

[KatDiesel]

Your dealer hasn't a clue. There is a TSb as mentioned above regarding specific oil filters that are approved. I wouldn't worry one bit about a fleetgaurd filter & warranty issues. If they hassle you find another dealer. Perhaps the one John sees on occasion?

 

[KatDiesel]

I fixed your misspelling in the title by the way, I don't think a "user" can change the title.

 

[Billy Diesel]

Fleetguard, Mopar, Cummins, they are the same exact filter. They come off the same assembly line. Look at who owns who... .



Remember, with all the filters listed above, if they become clogged or slightly plugged, they ARE DESIGNED to allow the oil to bypass the filter element.



Run the Wix filters. They are better and cheaper, but they aren't made by Cummins so they "technically" aren't covered under warranty.



There are ways to get around that in court, but it might take a while.



You can always just screw on the mopar filter when you have to take it in for service. It makes them happy when they think you are paying them $20+ dollars for a $5 filter!

 

[illflem]

August 2002 TECHNICAL INFORMATION



It has been brought to our attention that a few DaimlerChrysler service technicians are recommending that the FRAM PH3976 filter not be used on Daimler Chrysler vehicles withthe Cummins 5. 9L Turbo Diesel engine and that use of these filters can cause damage to the engine. Daimler Chrysler has informed us that they released a Technical Service Bulletin to their dealerships communicating a potential contamination issue and recommending the use of Fleetguard manufactured filters.



FRAM has been selling PH3976 filter for this engine application since the engine platform launch and it has maintained an extremely reliable service record. Late in 2000, Cummins and Daimler Chrysler brought to our attention a low incidence failure mode in their Cummins 5. 9L Turbo Diesel engine of the piston cooling nozzle plugging, resulting in engine failure. The plugging was caused by contaminates lodging in the nozzle. The contaminants included metal chips, calcium carbonate, polyethylene, and styrene butadiene that are not associated with filter manufacture, and a neoprene compound, which is used as a sealant on the tapping plate of the filter. There were also several other engine warranty issues determined unrelated to the piston cooling nozzle plugging that were part of the engine failure sample. A small amount of neoprene rubber was used in the FRAM filter as a sealant.



Throughout our investigation with Cummins & DaimlerChrysler on various engine failures, no conclusive evidence was found to assign cause to filters or other contamination sources. However, driven to satisfy our customers, the FRAM engineering team made modifications to the design eliminating the neoprene and expedited development and manufacturing to release a revised filter model number to PH3976A. With the design change on the PH3976A completely removing the use of neoprene, there is absolutely no validity in comments that the Fram filter should not be used for this application or that it may cause engine failures associated with plugged nozzles.



The Honeywell Consumer Products Group warranty policy also protects the consumer if it is determined that a FRAM filter is responsible for damage to an engine due to defects in design or workmanship. This information should be openly conveyed to our customers if they have any concerns or apprehension about using a FRAM filter for this application. Cummins Bulletin®

 

[Idaho Native]

"Fleetguard, Mopar, Cummins, they are the same exact filter. They come off the same assembly line. Look at who owns who... .



Well in that case, depending on which Furd dealer you've frequented, some of us are driving around with Furd filters on the mighty Cummins

 

[alaterreur]

Does anybody know if the Napa filter is ok. I heard it is made by Wix.

 

[Mtngoat]

All of this is kinda what I thot, just wanted to know more from someone who knows more... . That was a profound statement!!



Kat- Its the same dealer that John uses. I think they want to make sure I buy from THEM because I mentioned doing my own oil changes.



Robin

 

[rkressg]

Originally posted by alaterreur

Does anybody know if the Napa filter is ok. I heard it is made by Wix.

The NAPA Gold filters are WIX filters, I am not sure who makes the Silver line of filters, but spend the extra $2. 00 and buy the Gold ones.



P. S. Idaho Native, are you refering to the statement as to who owns Cummins?

If I remember correctly, Ford only ever owned 8% of Cummins and that was in the early 1980's, they have since sold their stock. Their only reason for purchace was to ensure the availability of the B and C-series engines for their CASE heavy equipment line.

 

[CumminsPuller]

Not sure if you guys have ran across this website... ..... I found it last week. Ended up spending several hours on here reading. Here is a link to the oil filter tests he is running and observations he has found. From my unerstanding it is an ongoing test and he has not completed it yet.



http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000513



Happy reading... .....



Jason