Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Fleetguard fuel filter's quality?

[NIsaacs]

Have any of you noticed the Fleetguard fuel filters #FS19855 for the 2nd gen 24v are looking cheap? The last ones I bought have light duty flat ends v/s the older style where the ends wrap around the filter paper. Also 10 microns v/s Wix 7 microns and their filters still have the heavy duty ends. I don't think I will be buying anymore of them from Fleetguard. They don't fit the filter cover very well.



Nick

 

[mwilson]

Have any of you noticed the Fleetguard fuel filters #FS19855 for the 2nd gen 24v are looking cheap? The last ones I bought have light duty flat ends v/s the older style where the ends wrap around the filter paper. Also 10 microns v/s Wix 7 microns and their filters still have the heavy duty ends. I don't think I will be buying anymore of them from Fleetguard. They don't fit the filter cover very well.



Nick

I just checked the FS19855 filters on the shelf (after I ate my snack apple, I do have priorites you know) and they are the same as you describe. I think that they have been that way for a while, the 2 spares I have at home are made the same way. I have not had nor heard of any issues with this newer style. It may have happened when they superceded the FS19579-E and replaced it with the FS19855.



When you say that it does not fit the cover well, do you mean it snaps in hard?? I have always found that to be a challenge, now I am a little more aggressive when snapping it into place as I have a spare new cover on the shelf at home..... get it hooked into several of the fingers on one side and then crank right down on it.



Mike.

 

[Bob4x4]

I have lined up the filters and given them a sharp wrap with my hand as long as I can remember

 

[AH64ID]

This must be for the 01-02 2nd gens. Wix is crossing it to a 3rd gen filter, thus the reason it's better. It's 7um nominal thou, not absolute. It's absolute at 8um, which is good for a 2nd gen but not good for a 3rd gen.

I have been recommending 01-02's run a Baldwin PF7977, 5um.

 

[NIsaacs]

Mike, do you have other brands in your store that you could compare or look on line and see the difference? Most brands are still the heavy type. I only found Fleetguard and Donaldson to have the flimsy ends. The last heavy type I bought were LuberFiner. After you snap them in the top cover they are loose as a goose. They just seem crappy to me with the flat ends just glued flush to the paper v/s the wrap around type full of glue.

Nick

 

[NIsaacs]

This must be for the 01-02 2nd gens. Wix is crossing it to a 3rd gen filter, thus the reason it's better. It's 7um nominal thou, not absolute. It's absolute at 8um, which is good for a 2nd gen but not good for a 3rd gen.



I have been recommending 01-02's run a Baldwin PF7977, 5um.

I looked it up and thats the type I like even tho some outlets don't advise to use it on the VP44 pump, that it might restrict the flow and starve it. Thats not a consern I have because I change every 15,000 miles and have never plugged one up of any micron. Maybe I am just being anal about the flimsy Fleetguard one, but...



Nick

 

[mwilson]

Mike, do you have other brands in your store that you could compare or look on line and see the difference? Most brands are still the heavy type. I only found Fleetguard and Donaldson to have the flimsy ends. The last heavy type I bought were LuberFiner. After you snap them in the top cover they are loose as a goose. They just seem crappy to me with the flat ends just glued flush to the paper v/s the wrap around type full of glue.



Nick

Is this the filter that you seek???



This should bring all of the Fram Filter Haters out but remember..... they bought out LuberFiner filters so those filters have migrated in the Fram line. The last photo does not do a good job of showing what I wanted it to.



It says... Made In USA!!!

Mike.

 

[AH64ID]

The PF7977 is designed for the higher flowing CR's, shouldn't be an issue.

 

[JR]

This must be for the 01-02 2nd gens. Wix is crossing it to a 3rd gen filter, thus the reason it's better. It's 7um nominal thou, not absolute. It's absolute at 8um, which is good for a 2nd gen but not good for a 3rd gen.

I have been recommending 01-02's run a Baldwin PF7977, 5um.

By um are you referring to microns? I picked up a filter today from napa as i will usually change my oil and fuel filter before the weather turns for good and that will usually carry me through to spring. Was talking to the guy at the counter and hes telling me the napa gold # 3349 is a 2 micron filter.

 

[NIsaacs]

Mike, yup, thats the good one, I would use the Fram over the Fleetguard.

Nick

 

[AH64ID]

Yes um is micron. The 3349 is 2um nominal, and that's all we know. A screen door could also be called 2um nominal. The reason I don't run wix, and usually advise against it, is because their ratings are not absolute, and when they are absolute they don't meet OEM specs (like 8um for 3rd gens, when min spec is 7um).

Wix also refuses to publish fuel/water separation rates, and thus you don't know if your getting a good filter or not.

Lots of people run Wix with good results, but I wouldn't ever let one touch my fuel.

 

[NIsaacs]

AH, isn't the filter canister the water seperater or does the filter actually do it?

Nick

 

[AH64ID]

The filter itself is what separates the water.

The OEM FS19855 is 10um absolute, 5um at 83% and removes 95% free water and 95% emulsified water, rated at 60 GPH.
The PF7977 is 5um absolute, 2um at 50%, removes 99% free water and 95% emulsified water, rated at 60 GPH.

 

[NIsaacs]

The filter itself is what separates the water.

Well, I learned something new again today. I did not know that. I figured the water separated itself when it entered the canister. In the old days farm equipment with gravity fuel systems, they didn't use filters, just a glass sediment bowl at the tank. So maybe the filter media is more important than the cheap john ends that are bugging me?

Nick

 

[JR]

Yes um is micron. The 3349 is 2um nominal, and that's all we know. A screen door could also be called 2um nominal. The reason I don't run wix, and usually advise against it, is because their ratings are not absolute, and when they are absolute they don't meet OEM specs (like 8um for 3rd gens, when min spec is 7um).

Wix also refuses to publish fuel/water separation rates, and thus you don't know if your getting a good filter or not.

Lots of people run Wix with good results, but I wouldn't ever let one touch my fuel.

Thanks for the clarification. Is wix and napa one in the same? When you say you wouldnt recomend the 3349 are you referring to the 3rd gens or the 2nd gens. Ive got an early 2nd gen with the larger filter canister than the later 2nd gens so that baldwin number you posted above wont work for me. Thanks again.
JR

 

[AH64ID]

I don't recommend any Wix filter for any diesel fuel application.

The crappy thing about the 98. 5-00 filter's is they are only rated for 24 GPH, so any aftermarket pump severely outflows them. IMHO something like this, http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/product.aspx?pf_id=MK79852-BLKH, is the only thing I would run on a 98. 5-00 24V, with a bigger pump (like your raptor).

 

[JR]

Thanks for the info. Im going tonight to look at a slightly used airdog 150. Long story short its through my good friends friend. My buddy can get it for cheap because this guy owes him and hes passing the good deed onto me as i have done for him i the past (hope that makes sense) i can get it for 100 bucks it seems to good to be true but im certainly checking into it. Will know more tonight.

 

[AH64ID]

Sounds good.

Don't run the standard AD filters, use a Baldwin BF1275 and a Donaldson P551315.

 

[BDaugherty]

i have been using the hastings ff1260. it has the larger more solid ends and most importantly, I have an Email from an engineer at hastings listing the specs and clearly stating that it is 5 micron absolute. they list the ff1160 used for 2nd gen 24v at 10 micron absolute.

 

[AH64ID]

Hastings and Baldwin are one in the same, just a different label. FF1260 = PF7977