Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) fluidamper pinning kit

[SFrey]

has anyone used this pinning kit on there fluidamper install ?



scot

 

[TurboTweaker]

I HAVE AND ITS A COMPLEAT AND UDDER WASTE OF TIME! think about it you have to suck the dampner on to the center hub with the bolts right? and if its centered and it twists till it hits the edge of a hole is it out of balance? I DONT THINK SO! when i tried to pin mine in the truck it took 6 hrs and i didnt get it done. the bit they send broke in the first min. and the jig was stuck on the hub... ... should have thought about it befor i put it on because it had to get walked on and its very tight on the hub.



Sorry for the rant but it ruined a day for this guy.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[HEMI®Dart]

I put a new Fluidampr on the truck last month and I did not get the pinning kit, but even if I did I had no desire to use it. A TDR member used it and said it was a nightmare like turbo tweaker said. No room to drill. I never rev the truck over 2500 RPM's and 92 Ft lbs on the damper bolts are good enough for me.

 

[FUL POWER]

I dont know why every one is having a problem, i did mine in about 3 hours and it worked great. I just took the intercooler off and radiator off. It worked like a dream. but that my two cents

 

[Hammer]

I dont know why every one is having a problem, i did mine in about 3 hours and it worked great. I just took the intercooler off and radiator off. It worked like a dream.

Hmmm...

I wonder how much time you spent taking the radiator and intercooler in and out which adds to you total project time which I am certain was waaaaayyy more than 3 hours. 3 hours time eh... Ok.

I HAVE AND ITS A COMPLEAT AND UDDER WASTE OF TIME!

Now there is a statement made by someone who doesn't even know why they want them pinned at all. Please make sure son,since you claim to be one of the drag race guys,to NOT,repeat NOT,be in the other lane near me twisting your truck rpms into submission without a pinned dampr. I am guessing that you never have seen the damage of a unpinned dampr at high rpms then,correct?. On a truck which sees more normal RPM ranges then yes,I would agree that pinning them may be overkill. HOWEVER,one that is about to be twisted into rpm submission,using the let the parts hit the floor attitude,then if your not pinned you could be a accident waiting to happen. I have pinned Fluidamprs on motors that have seen way more rpms than our diesel run and know what could happen and does when the pinning isn't done.



So a complete and udder waste of time,nope,mine being pinned has certainly brought me confidence to see the tach buried on a regular basis. I do know that when the guys did mine in the truck,they had lots of kind words for how much fun the job was. No one said it was easy,but then again,what worthwhile engine modification that you have done that ensures your safety and the engines longevity would be easy?... ... ...



"The Small Kid"

Andy



P. S. -BTW Scot... Didn't I answer this for you already on the phone?. You would have thought while you were ripping my rear tires up,so today when they checked in with less tread depth than the front today at inspection,you would have just pinned yours and been done with it... LOL

 

[wildmanben]

So, if your damper isnt pinned it will fly off? Thats whats your saying? Then why hasnt my stock one flown off yet? I run 4k quite often and havent had a problem yet. Have seen others running 4k+ without problems either. Its got 4 bolts holding it on there vs a SBC that has one 1/2" bolt holding it in on our drag car that sees 8k. I dont think that I understand this here. Isnt the fluidamper suppose to be better than stock anyways?

 

[FUL POWER]

It takes me about 1 hour and 15min to take my rad and intercooler off. Its not hard to take if off at all its about 15 bolts and then just lift the rad and intercooler out at once... I have done it a dozen time..... Well i spin my 24v at 5200 rpm. . I know one person who was spinning 4000 rpm and the bolt broke and the damper came off of his truck. Pinning them is just insurance... .

 

[TurboTweaker]

Hammer,

You don't have to tell me about dampeners flying off, ever seen a prostock tractor lose one? i pull tractors in the NTPA and know why fluid dampner has the pin kit. im not dumb. but for 99. 99% of the guys here its a waste of time. And with a balanced bottom end i think i about eliminated the need for a fluid dampener. if your scared to run against a un pinned dampener what about the guys spinning 4500+ with stock dampeners, they are held on by a pice of rubber? don't stand on your soapbox and preach to me, your wasting your time old man.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[Hammer]

Fat Kid...

I am amazed at your "udder" stupidity at this and how quick you are to condone a product which has to do with safety. Soapbox you say and get off it,NEVER when it comes to safety so sorry if it doesn't suit you. Just because one "balances a bottom end" doesn't mean a dampr is NOT needed but I am guessing since your a expert on drag racing and pulling you must know more than me,for that I will say I am humbled..... NOT.



4500+ with a stock dampr is and has never been safe in my mind but until recently no options were available to rectify this. Now that there is anyone who is running their tachs into submission are foolish to not protect their equipment by this purchase. Pinning it to me makes complete sense for those who run high rpms as I have already stated and for those who do not see anymore than stock I'd say they are safe without the pin. I have witnessed the other benefits of these first hand in many applications and most do not realize yet those benefits.



Ah One last thing grasshopper...

When it comes to safety you will never find me off my soapbox. If its a fact you can not handle I only wonder how your going to handle being put back on the trailer you arrived on because the tech man didn't care for your attempt of bending rules to suit yourself because you "think" you know more than him. Please allow me to be the guy who techs you in,it would be a honor to send you home to make your truck right in the name of the safety soapbox. No one said you were dumb,we would never do that here on this board. However I will offer you this last tidbit and its something another person here has taught me. Before you hit the enter key,have someone that is not a diesel nut read your post as a newbie and see what they think. I am certain that you will see what I am trying to tell you then,just as I did along time ago when it was pointed out to me.



wildmanben. .

You have to remember your SBC will either be a pinned crank or have a keyway to help hold it along with the bolt. We have both depending on who made the cranks in the motors we have. We turn our SBC's on the big tracks to about 9600 at the end of the chute and on the smaller 3/8 milers to 9900. Of course that depends on track conditions,air quallity and if we are winged or not.



The 4 bolts on our Cummins trucks are enough to hold but there has been a few instances of them walking and a couple which have come off for one reason or another. Pinning the dampr on our trucks is a insurance measure and up to you.



FUL POWER. .

You alot faster than me taking them out..... LOL... ... ... Andy



BTW...

I never did thank the person way back when about the rereading my posts. Keith,we don't see you post much anymore but thank you!.

 

[wildmanben]

Well, sounds logical to me. Better add that to the list when I get the damper this spring then.

 

[TurboTweaker]

I didnt know 3700rpm was crazy RPM..... ? and im not expert by far, but i have seen more than my fair share of crap go wrong. the tech guy at the strip hasnt said boo about my dampner.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[BigBadDodge]

I dont know why every one is having a problem, i did mine in about 3 hours and it worked great. I just took the intercooler off and radiator off. It worked like a dream. but that my two cents

Ditto, pulled the rad and intercooler.



I put mine on with out the pin kit, sled pulled twice, and then removed the bolts by hand when the pin kit showed up. So yes they wil loosen up and the pin kit should be used.



BBD

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I put a new Fluidampr on the truck last month and I did not get the pinning kit, but even if I did I had no desire to use it. A TDR member used it and said it was a nightmare like turbo tweaker said. No room to drill. I never rev the truck over 2500 RPM's and 92 Ft lbs on the damper bolts are good enough for me.

stupid question... if you don't turn over 2500 rpm, why get the fluidampr?

 

[Extreme1]

OK, at what RPM should you be using a Fluidampr? I would consider pinning it and adding timing tape and a pointer just so I can find TDC faster for pump timing.

 

[wildmanben]

I runs so much smoother with one. I dont run much more than 3600 on mine but it makes a bunch of difference, thats for sure.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

ok, so if the stock balancer isn't pinned and guys have been turning them over 4000rpm with little/no problem... and the fluidampr is so much smoother, then why the huge concern with pinning it?

 

[Hammer]

stupid question... if you don't turn over 2500 rpm, why get the fluidampr?

2 reasons...

1-How much smoother the trucks engine is with them.

2-because he could?. LOL.

ok, so if the stock balancer isn't pinned and guys have been turning them over 4000rpm with little/no problem.

Forrest. .

I'll not argue with you about guys HAD been running the stock balancers over the outer orbit rpm range,but,how safe were they we all never knew. Stock balancers that are made to run lower rpm ranges are not safe in outer orbit. I myself have seen them fly off drag cars and its a ugly sight when it happens. As the diesel sport moves forward safety items get better and the addition of a Fluidampr is one of the best for any owner who is running rpms.



Now why pin it you ask,thats simple,increased rotating weight. The Fluidampr is much heavier and when running big rpms its well worth it to pin it to remove any chance of it walking on the crank. Its just a precaution and up to the owner. I know I love mine,the way it smoothed out the motor and quieted the big double disc down is amazing. When its twisted hard its so smooth you have to look at my tattle tale to realize you were that high,LOL..... Andy

 

[Mark Craig]

SFrey,



Fluidampr makes the kit for those that are racing and turn over 3300-3500 RPM with their engine. If you keep it to "normal" RPM you can get away without it, BUT if it were me I would install it, more work more cost but you KNOW it's gonna stay there! Also look into their sensor mounting kit, way better looking and MUCH easier to install than a home made one will be. A damper is replaced as most of the OEM ones start to squeezed the rubber out of their rings waaay earlier in diesel than gassers as the torsional vibrations are MUCH worse and are compounded with RPM at a much faster rate because of the mass you are rotating as compared to a gas engine!! Each and every one we have sold we have gotten a report back on the increased smoothness of the engine (racers or street users)!! If you ever see a damper fail (even on a street truck) it makes sense why so many folks are swapping them out. The typical diesel will last 2-3 times longer than a gas engine so the life, mass of the rotating assembly etc etc is cause for concern with a diesel much more than a gasser!!



By the way Fluidampr got their start and still sells more damper units to Class 8 vehicles than all other types of vehicles, that alone tells you how beneficial they can be to a diesel.



Mark @ DPPI

 

[Highfinance97]

SFrey,

Also look into their sensor mounting kit, way better looking and MUCH easier to install than a home made one will be.

Mark @ DPPI

i moved mine with the "Horshell" sesor relocating kit, it was easy.



Here is my thread on my installation of the fluidamr and a aftermarket tach.

(no i did not use the pin kit,maybe ill read a bit more :-{}

Install



Michael

 

[wildmanben]

just a thought, but how much is the pin kit?