Flying into Savannah - any TDR members in the area? (Alan Reagan, etc.)

[JyRO]

Hello TDR members!

I'll be flying into the Savannah area on Friday night, 5/18. I'll be mainly in these areas; from Claxton, to Hinesville, to Savannah. I'll be leaving the area on 5/24 early morning. I'd like to meet up with any of you guys that are down there, talk trucks, and maybe see how a bombed truck performs (if your truck(s) are bombed).

So who all lives down there? I think Alan Reagan lives in the area. Alan, if you do live in the area, do you know of any other fellow TDR members down there?

Of course I'll be flying down there to join my wife, so I won't have, "The Blue Rattler," with me. The wife's not currently working (outside the home), so she decided to take my little buddy (11 mo. old son) and go see her family (in the Hinesville and Claxton areas) for about 3 weeks. I'm joining her for the last week. She's driving our 4Runner. I loaded my arsenal in the 4Runner before she left. Looks like I'm going to get to shoot (at) armadillos in her grandmothers yard. Maybe I'll get lucky while I'm down there and the 500 acre farm her mom lives on will get another aligator in one of their several ponds. Then I'll get to see how many shots it takes for a . 40 caliber Glock (using hollow points) to stop a gator. #ad
You know, its always good to have that kind of information. #ad
BTW, these gators threaten the Long Horn Steer, goats, and various other cattle and horses on this farm. So letting the gators reside on the farm is not an option. They don't shoot'em just for target practice.

Let me know guys, I'd like to see real life trucks before I make my final decision to bomb or not to bomb.

P. S. Sorry for the long post, but I had to tell you guys this also. The wife said that we could drive around on the 500 acre farm and I could stand up out of the sunroof in the 4Runner with a gun in each hand and I could act stupid like the redneck that I am and be firing both guns as we're driving. #ad
Hehehehe. Ain't she a hoot! I don't know if I wanna do that or not though. I'd hate to be laughing too hard at myself, and shoot a hole throught the hood and engine of the 4Runner. #ad


Ram Ahead!

- JyRO

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1990 Toyota Celica STX, FWD, 5-speed, 1. 6L I4 (36+ mpg @ 65 mph)
1983 Mazda RX-7 GSL Limited Edition RWD, 5-speed, 1. 1L Wankel (For sale)
No auto trannies in my home! Just say, "No!" to auto trannies.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Make sure you find out if it's legal or not to shoot from a vehicle - here in Michigan that's called poaching, and we shoot poachers (that is legal don't ya know!) #ad
Living in the land of the BOMB'd Cummins (GLTDR) why do you need to go so far to get a ride in a BOMB'd one?



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-Steve St. Laurent - President of the Great Lakes TDR
'98 QC LB (CMNSPWR), 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 4. 10 LSD, TST Powermax3, 275hp RV injectors, Joe Donnelly modifed Sachs Clutch, SS ladder bars, SW fuel pressure gauge, BD exhaust brake, Isspro turbo temp monitor, front Draw-Tite receiver, rear Draw-Tite class V receiver, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO's, (all the common stuff clipped)

 

[JyRO]

Steve - Out on the middle of this farm, you could shoot randomly in all directions, nobody would know, nobody would care. I don't have to worry about the law. I could fire a bozooka from a cigarette boat on this property if I wanted to, no problem.

But as far as goin' down south to see the Rams, I just figured while I was down there I'd check the G. O. B. s trucks out. Besides, they're a different breed of people down there (and I don't mean (necessarily) inbred, hehehehe), and they more like myself. Georgians... . I are one too. #ad


- JyRO

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

You're probably right JyRO - most of us would be too redneck for ya #ad
! We just had a joint get together with the SETDR in TN (many of them from Georgia) and we got along like we were old friends - although us northerners (many of us are southern transplants or at least we are at heart) were the ones most likely to get in trouble down there. #ad
I do have to say though that just because you're on the farm in the middle of nowhere that doesn't give you any right to disobey hunting laws. Our right to hunt is under constant threat from animal rights people, anyone doing anything to help their cause (and breaking hunting laws, especially talking about it in public DOES help) is a problem that ethical hunters need to deal with. BTW, are you coming to Dave's Diesel Thunder in Muncie? If you want to see bomb'd Dodge's that'll be the place to be, everything from mild to WILD!

-Steve


[This message has been edited by Steve St. Laurent (edited 05-11-2001). ]

 

[JyRO]

Steve - I just moved from where you held your joint get together with the SETDR. I lived in Maryville, TN. , which about 30 minutes from the Cades Cove/Townsend area. Beautiful. I'm originally from GA. though. I don't know if you could out redneck me or not. Ok, Ok, you probably could. One thing for sure, you could out Ram-run me, seeins I'm still stock, and am such a picky a$$ about what I want to do with my truck if anything.

As far as the weapons fire on the farm area. I'm not a hunter, so I'm totally unfamiliar with hunting laws. But I am/was under the assumption that if someone is on private property, as is this farm, you could pretty much do as you please. Of course, now thinking about it, that may be way off. And as far as my double handed shooting from the sunroof, I wouldn't necessarily be aiming at anything. I'd just be doing it to say I've done it, since I'm just a redneck at heart. #ad
Sometimes I just like to act like an idiot. #ad


But I wouldn't be hunting anyway. If I shoot at any of God's creatures this weekend (hopefully) it will only be farm animal threatening aligators, or yard destroying armadillos. My mother & father-in-laws fire all the time, almost every day (dern we're rednecks). They've shot a few gators. And various other profit reducing varmits.

The armadillos in the Grandmother-in-laws yard dig holes that the grandmother could trip in and get hurt (she's very yard active). She shoots at the armadillos ALL THE TIME.

Anyway, I'm certain there'll be no law enforcement activity (police or wildlife type) associated with my weapons fire "testing. "

I'll be honest though. I'd rather not violate any hunting laws, but since I'll be on private property I'm not going to limit my "testing" based on some law that does not apply or barely applies to what I'm doing. I admit I'm ignorant of hunting laws, but even so, since I'm not hunting, would I be violating laws? I'm not sure, I'm assuming no. But you don't have to worry, your outta range of the Glock, #ad
and the "other" firearms. #ad
But there'll be a hell of a lot of lead flying from the 19th to the 24th. #ad
You'd be surprised how many rounds a 4Runner will carry (not as much as a big Ram, but maybe better concealed). And with a whole mess of large capacity magazines, I'll probably get tired of it before I make much of a dent in the 4Runner's ammo payload. #ad
Kind of like the way your arms feel after running a jackhammer for a while. It loses its appeal pretty quick.

- JyRO

 

[MadOtis]

JyRO,

I have to chime in here. Many of your comments and assumptions of us G. O. B. 's are completely inaccurate. I'm not about to make any assumptions as to how long ago you moved away from Georgia, but we DO have laws down here, and HAVE had them for... heck... longer than I can remember. Anyway, back to my point... Georgia law considers that any firearm discharge (that's the translation for 'shooting' for us uneducated G. O. B. 's) in any area not designated and officially approved for shooting is considered illegal; farm, private land, etc. all fall into this category. From a moving vehicle? Even worse. Not only can DNR (or police for that matter) take your firearms, but the vehicle you are in at the time as well. Another thing to remember is, a . 22 caliber bullet can travel over a mile... higher calibers can travel alot further. I wouldn't be as certain a 500 acre farm that was cleared or planted would hold a bullet anywhere as well as a hardwood forested 250 acre hunting area would. Especially since "you'll not necessarily be aiming at anything"!

I also don't know of the legality of shooting a gator in GA. I know that in Florida, you can go to jail alot quicker for that than for smoking dope. I'm pretty sure the laws are similar here.

Finally, I spent many years as a Firefighter/Paramedic before I moved into my current profession (Yes, we have computers here in Georgia now). Mixing automobiles, guns, and "just acting like an idiot" just isn't smart at all; trust me, I've patched up enough people who HAVE mixed these activities together before, or the unfortunate victim of someone else mixing these activities. You're what I would consider a highly dangerous person. You're going to get someone hurt; hopefully it's not someone else's children.

Seems to me I read in one of your posts (primarily chastizing Steve for his post of the Hell event last summer, and I was there BTW): "I try to let my actions speak for me. " Enough said.


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Cheers,
Randy

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[JyRO]

MadOtis - Ganging up huh? Did Steve send you a personal email to let you know about my post here, so you both can try to make me look like a bad person? I'm guessing he did, regardless of whether you admit it or not. He sent me a personal email too. Where he of course brought up the He11 Post.

As for the issues in your reply:

1) I never said GA. didn't have laws. I DID admit that I am ignorant to any hunting laws since I don't hunt. I ADMITTED THAT!

2) I never made any indication that people from GA. are un-educated. Why would I do that? I'm from GA. myself. I happen to like being a G. O. B. (Good Ole Boy). Or redneck, or hillbilly, or any other phrase that associates me with being from the S. E. U. S.

3) By my statement of not necessarily aiming at anything, what I meant to say was that I won't be pointing any firearm at anything that I may cause harm to. That includes the fact that I won't wave the firearm into the air and just fire randomly. Even though your reply is suggesting that that's what I will be doing. And I would never fire a single round that would have a chance in he11 of traveling other than to my intended target (including not off the farm). I apologize for my lack of accuracy (my sarcasm) for those of you who took/take that too literally.

4) Maybe its not entirely legal to shoot an alligator on their farm, but neither is driving 1 mph over the speed limit. Who among us violates that law? Oh you criminals (that's sarcasm if I didn't make it clear). If there's a gator on this farm and it has the potential to interfere with the prosperity of the livestock, it will be dealt with, as have quite a few in the past few years.

5) I never said GA. didn't have computers, nor did I make any suggestion that GA. was technoligically antiquated. Why would you insinuate that I did, if for no other reason than just to try to make me out to be a bad person?

6) It doesn't take a genius to realize that acting like an idiot isn't smart. Matter of fact, acting like an idiot, is idiotic. Hey man, I should be able to cut-up and have a little fun exaggerating on here like some of the other guys do. Gimme a break. Oh wait, your point was to join Steve in an attack on me (IMHO). I wouldn't doubt that Doc got a personal email too from Steve, and maybe he'll jump in here too and exclaim how bad a person I am.

7) I'm not a dangerous person any more than anybody else is. Yeah my post was a little too rash for sensitive types (like you must be, in order for you to get so riled up at me). And for my rashness to those sensitive type of people, I apologize. I will not be firing lightly. I WILL be firing my firearms very responsibly.

8) This is the lowest blow I've seen on the TDR yet. And this is a quote from you, MadOtis, talking about someone getting hurt: "hopefully it's not someone else's children. "

What kind of person would make such a blatent statement as to insuate he hopes I will harm my own child? Man, that's just plain cruel. The thought of what you've implied makes my guts roll. And I'm the bad guy here? I wouldn't wish (or insinuate) that kind of bad karma on anyone.

I guess you, Doc, and Steve carry a bigger grudge about my reply to the He11 post than I ever realized. I must really be a poor poor member. I must be, my post was trying to take into account the fairness of destroying trucks before other TDR members could get a chance to drive them, AND my post was also indicating that bragging about destroying trucks might limit us getting sponsorship and being able to have such fun events in the future. There's no merit to my reply, whatsoever #ad
(sarcasm). I don't know if there will be another TDR event in Hell or at the Chrysler Proving Grounds again this year or not, but so far, I haven't heard a word about it. If not, I wonder why? Hmmm.

And I fully expect Steve to lock this post up. I've made valid points here. And I've made apologies to those who have taken me more seriously than I intended. I'm just trying to have a little fun with this post. It's not 100% seriousness. And the only thing you guys have done (except Alan Reagan) is attack me. And you guys also blurt out the He11 event, which is a crystal clear cry from you guys that you still carry resentment for my response on that.

So for my effort of trying to be a decent TDR member (I realize I'm far from the best member, and I have a lot of poor qualities and room for improvement) and making a reply to the He11 Event Post, that Steve's Post, in essence, put a negative impact on the members ability to enjoy such good events in the future, I GET CREAMED. I GOT CREAMED THEN, AND I'M STILL GETTING CREAMED NOW! What's with you guys? I make a valid point in my reply to that post, and the original post is what left a bad impression of the TDR, AND I'VE BEEN THE BAD GUY EVER SINCE.

Will you guys ever just accept that maybe I did have a point, and maybe I was looking out for the TDR members, and maybe I'm not the bad guy you guys are desperately trying to make me out to be, and drop this He11 Event Post thing? Man I don't know, but it doesn't seem like you will, its been almost a year now, and I can still smell the powder burning.

If you can't acknowledge the point I tried to make back then, and you still want to rip me just out of spite, then FINE. I'm a real b@stard for looking out for the best interests of the members of the TDR.

Lock it up Steve. That's what I expect from you. I don't expect you to acknowlede that I'm allowed any sarcasm (on this post), and that I had a valid point in my reply to the Hell Post. Moreover, I expect more criticism. And I won't be surprised to have Doc jump in here too to kick a man when he's down.

P. S. In a previous reply of mine I said something like, I don't have to worry about the law. I meant that I don't have to worry about a policeman or other law enforcement watching what I'm doing because the farm is so large. I didn't mean that I personally don't care about the laws on the books. Sorry for my unclear statment.

- JyRO

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[Alan Reagan]

Jyro, I'll be arriving in Savannah late Thursday night (5/17) and be there through Saturday afternoon. Let's hook up. John Berger is just South of there. Maybe we can do some seafood and then shoot the guns. I loooove Georgia.

Email me.

 

[DMC]

JYRO:

It's kind of ashame that some people can't take a joke. Everyone seems so serius about everthing anymore. I think the whole world would be a better place if everyone would just relax, and try to have some fun once in awhile.
If you want to go out and fire, say 20,000-30,000 rounds on your property out of the city, I feel that its perfectly ok.
I don't think that firing from a vehicle on private property is illegal as long as your not firing at small or big game.
I also think that if more people had the opportunity to get out and go shooting, less people would be so uptight.
I have a tractor that I keep at a friends 125 Acre plantation and we fire guns out there whenever we want. And by the way a policeman lives out there and he has never given us any grief about shooting at an officially approved site.

So I Say Blast Away. It's good to practice gun control. HEHE" you hitting your target is a good thing.
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[Steve St.Laurent]

JyRO, you need to calm down. For your information, Randy did not get an email from me. The reason I sent you a personal email was simply to try and inform you of the laws that you yourself said you were ignorant of. Whether you want to admit it or not that is what Randy was doing as well. I do know Randy is a hunter as well and he hunts in Georgia, I tried to explain to you that the illegal taking of game is a VERY hot topic for hunters because of the reasons I stated above. As I tried to explain in my email to you that killing an animal even with a stick IS considered hunting in the eyes of the law - even if you just call it "ridding". I ALSO said in my email to you "I would urge you to find out what the laws are where you are planning your activities rather than just "assuming" what they are. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. If you're planned activities are in fact legal there - then MAN HAVE A BLAST, and I'd even join in on it!"

Now I'm sorry if my and Randy's pointing out the potential illegality of your plan is so upsetting to you and for that I will apologize. Let's just let this drop now, you do whatever you want.

-Steve


[This message has been edited by Steve St. Laurent (edited 05-12-2001). ]

 

[JyRO]

McGrady - Thank you, so much. I'm glad to see someone not attack me. I feel you understood my post(s) for how they were meant to be. I'm glad you extended to me your support. Thank you again. And I will have some (controlled) fun this weekend. Like the farm you spoke of, there are areas (and large wooded areas I might add as well) where I will not be endangering anyone else or be putting myself under the scrutiny of law enforcement officials on this property. I hope I said that OK and didn't offend anyone else.

- JyRO

 

[JyRO]

(Breathe-in... ... ... Big Sigh) Ahhhh. All calmed down now. But I'm not going to reply the way Steve thinks I should, just because he thinks its OK for him and his buddies to attack, and I should just, "take it on the chin. "--From his personal emails.

Randy didn't get an email... Of course, that's what you have to say, and I can't prove otherwise, but the coincedence is uncanny. First you tell me about Randy in your email to me, next, he's attacking me in a reply. Hmmmmm, smells fishy. But if you say you didn't, well.....

For Steve and MadOtis - To just simply make me aware of the hunting laws is one thing. But you guys go beyond that. You got in your jabs while you could. Steve more in emails, MadOtis here in front of everbody. Now you're back-peddling. I wish you guys had just SIMPLY made me aware of the laws I'm not familiar with. We wouldn't be having this big fight if you had.

And NO, I don't admit that's what Randy/MadOtis was doing as well. Look at the symbol at the top of his post! Its a mad face! Yeah, right, he was just trying to simply point out the laws to me. You got any beachfront land in AZ to sell me too?

Well I won't be hunting, and I won't be taking any GAME illegally. So geez, give it a rest will ya.

I'll make sure I spend a couple days sitting down with a lawyer to make sure I'm in full compliance with every law, code, statute, and ordinance there is on the book before I fire a single round at a paper target set on a dirt mound in the middle of the woods on a 500 acre farm. That should keep me from killing any innocent bystanders, poaching, and taking of GAME.

Fellow TDR people - I want you to look past the slick writing of Steve. For example this: "Now I'm sorry if my and Randy's pointing out the potential illegality of your plan is so upsetting to you and for that I will apologize. "--Steve

He knows I'm not upset about the pointing out of laws that I've admitted I'm not familiar with. He KNOWS I'm upset about their attacks of me in their posts (and Steve's emails). Now he's trying to cover his a$$ by trying to make it look like, "All I'm doing is trying to help. " When that's NOT all he is trying to do. I don't get pi$$ed off at someone when they are trying to help me. Do any of you? You should all realize that I'm not pi$$ed about their trying to help me with the law. You can read it for yourself, in their posts. I don't doubt you can also feel there's more to their posts than some friendly law tips.

Steve - I will have have a BLAST, a whole bunch of 'em. And if it were convenient for you, you'd be very welcome to join, and your safety from my end would be very well maintained.

I still expect this to get locked before you wind up having to apologive for your and MadOtis's TRUE intentions in your responses to me regarding this post. Yep, I feel a lock coming, I can hear the metal clinking.

- JyRO

 

[JyRO]

Fellow TDR members - Now Steve has sent me a personal email indicating that he is willing to make me look, "worse," by posting the emails we've sent between each other. I don't think I looked all that bad to start with. [See Steve's #5 email to me].

First I'd like to say, I'm not perfect, I have my faults, and not everything that I've stated has been stated clearly and accurately. But I don't feel my emails to him will make me look any worse than Steve and his buddies are trying to make me look.

I have placed them ALL in a word document, in chronological order. If you would like to see our communications, please email your request to me. I will send them to you as time permits. I want Steve to know both that, a) his threat to post the emails here means nothing to me and, b) that I'll even call him on his attempt to make me look, "worse," by offering those emails to those TDR members who may request them. I would rather not post them here, they are VERY lengthy.

- JyRO

 

[Sled Puller]

Steve a slick writer? Please. #ad


Jyro, I remember that Hell thread. Steve made a total joke full of sarcasm at what went on, and you wigged out. Now you make a thread full of sarcasm, and wonder why people take it to seriously.

Personly, I read the above thread and thought to myself,
"This guy is a total moron or making a bad joke. "

And went on to another thread. Now I check back in and the crap has hit the fan!
Place nice boys. #ad

Do not be surprised if you see this thread posted about on the anti gun crowd websites, they will use it against us.
Gene

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[Steve St.Laurent]

I sure hope you are enjoying this JyRO because I most certainly am not! You continue to twist my words around to try and make me look bad in front of the users of this board. This will be my final post on this issue. PLEASE if anyone is interested in the full story (which I doubt you are) please email JyRO for the transcript of our emails, and if you have any questions about my part in it or would like verification that you got all of the emails feel free to email me at stevest@voyager.net and I will send you the same and if you would like to discuss it with me over the phone I will be happy to either give you my phone number or you can give me yours and I will make the call on my dime. What I told JyRO in the #5 email that he brought up (sent at 12:10, btw) was:

Instead of locking the thread IF you continue with your one sided fight against me on the site then I will simply post on there all of our communications back and forth on this and everyone will see where the problem is. I sent you these emails instead of posting them on the TDR site not to blast you or make you look bad, if I had wanted to do that I would have posted them on the TDR site.

SNIP

I hope that I have gotten across to you that my MAIN concern here was the legality of what you were planning on doing and that you were aware of it so that you could modify your plans if you wished. What you choose to do with that information is your own business. My secondary concern was how you saying what you were in a public forum could harm the chances of myself, my friends, and my children to continue to enjoy something we hold so dear (hunting). If it hadn't been posted in a public forum and you were doing it on private property out of the site of the public then that secondary concern would be null and void - but that wasn't how it happened. Now PLEASE let's let this drop before the entire story gets posted on the TDR site (our emails back and forth) that would make you look worse. I'm willing to not say anything more and let you get in the last digs!

I then got an email back from him at 12:38 that said "I think I mentioned that you
were letting bye-gones be bye-gones which is the same way I feel. I'm willing to just let it drop too. " and then another one from him at 1:10 ripping into me again for "threatening" to post the emails on the TDR site (he obviously was NOT willing to let it drop). I responded to his latest email with this (at 1:51):

What I was attempting to do with my "threats" of posting our emails there was to diffuse your misrepresentations of what I said in my emails to you! All of your "And I fully expect Steve to lock this post up. " and "Lock it up Steve. That's what I expect from you. " and "Yep, I feel a lock coming, I can hear the metal clinking. " along with "I still expect this to get locked before you wind up having to apologive for your and MadOtis's TRUE intentions in your responses to me regarding this post. " are simply trying to make me look bad, all I was saying was that I was fully willing to post the WHOLE story and EVERY word that I sent to you - AGAIN I sent those to you in a private email so that I did NOT make you look bad in front of the TDR membership

SNIP

With all the blasting I've taken from you on the TDR site on this thread I feel that I have been EXTREMELY restrained in my posts on there and I am STILL not willing to blast at you on there - because that is the professional and polite response, I took my arguments with you to a private email. On the other hand you took your arguments with me out to the public! All that I said was that if you continue to bash me on there that I will publish the whole story so as to correct the LIE that you told about what I posted to you in emails and that "threat" still stands if you wish to push it more on the site.

Now to the users of the site, I apologize to you for posting this information. As I stated above my intention with saying anything to JyRO was simply to make him aware of the hunting laws that he may be violating (I don't even know if what he was talking about is illegal in Georgia but since he said he was ignorant of hunting laws I thought he should look into it). JyRO is the one who has turned this into a huge battle. I was fully willing to let JyRO get in the last dig on me three posts above this and I wasn't going to say another word. However, since he will not drop the issue I feel that it is important that you the users are aware of my actions as an administrator on this site. Again, if you would like the full transcript PLEASE email JyRO for it and let me know if you have any questions about my actions. Also, I again apologize for you having to read through all of this. I honestly thought I was doing JyRO a favor by letting him know of the laws.

-Steve St. Laurent
Lead Moderator


[This message has been edited by Steve St. Laurent (edited 05-12-2001). ]

 

[BigUgly]

Well Allright, I feel the need to wade in here.

Jyro buddy... I live in Beaufort SC, which is about 45 miles from Savannah. I also am the Vice President of the SETDR, that's right, I'm a friend of both Randy AND Steve. I have recieved no e-mails from anyone in the past two days except one from HVAC about turbos. Here's where I say my piece. Calm down.

Not everyone is out to get you. However, I as one was not gonna head on down and hang out with you for several reasons. 1: I am gonna be busy that weekend getting a permit to carry a CDW (Concieled(sp?) Deadly Weapon) and also 2: I remember some of your posts about... no, not HE11, but the rear facing KC Daylighters. You remember that? That led me to believe that you might not wanna be the kind of guy I want to hang out with. After all, I may be a Redneck, but my momma brought me up to be kind to everyone, not blind tailgaters.

Now, I don't live in Georgia, so I can't comment on the laws. However, if you have trouble Gators, you should contact the local DNR or Game Wardens, they will instruct you further. I think you can pop 'dillers, but I'd still ask the game wardens. I feel that you shouldn't shoot gators without calling the DNR, I am in school right now and intend to get in the employ of the Ga. DNR or DOI in two years. We take our critters of all kinds seriously, and DO NOT like poaching.

I'm trying not to get frizzled about your problems with Steve boiling over to include a Beer-drinking buddy of mine (Madotis). I think I will keep my temper in check. However, I am not out to bash you or anyone, and noone asked me to gang up on you.

Again, Calm down, it's not good for the body to be too stressed out.
Josiah Loverin

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[MadOtis]

JyRO,

This will be my last post on this matter. Perhaps it may explain why I got 'hot' while posting my original message.

1) I happen to be one of those Southerners that take offense to the negative stereotype of the G. O. B. that is typically held by anyone else not from the south. We've all heard them: inbred, illiterate, 1 tooth, etc. That is the root of some of the comments I posted.

2) I'm spilling personal information here: I have very close friends that have buried their daughter because of (and this isn't a quote of yours, it's just a quote that I overheard during the murder trial that seemed to stick with me); "We didn't mean to hurt anyone, we were just shooting into the air! We didn't realize the bullet would go that far, much less hit anyone". After losing my own daughter to SIDS, I know the grief they are still going through, but I cannot fathom the anger they still have at the senselessness of their loss. I put my original comment into the post not as a "low blow", but hopefully as an "eye-opener". Something to the effect of: "Hey, what I am doing may hurt someone else. "

3) By the time I finished writing the original post, I was really steamed. One of the edits on my original post was made after I went back and looked at other posts you had made. The first one I came across was the Hell event and the "I try to let my actions... " comment. I got the impression that the comment, combined with your original post indicated that you simply didn't care what happened. I reiterate: "I" got the impression.

Finally, Steve and I are friends, yes. We've met in person twice. We've exchanged e-mails and instant messages on many topics relevant to the SETDR and/or GLTDR, some on non-TDR matters. But, my comments and actions are my own. Would I attack someone I have never had any dealings with in the past at the request of a friend? No, absolutely not. Steve had absolutely NOTHING to do with why I posted my orignial message.

There you have my reasons for my post. I've been honest and open with my reasons. If I've misunderstood your intentions, then I'm sorry. But, Don't misconstrue this explanation as "back-peddling", my opinions and views on topics are my own and no one will change them. I probably will voice them the same way next time.

Like I commenced with: This is my last post on this matter. If you wish to continue involving me in this matter, have fun, you'll get no reply from me.


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Cheers,
Randy

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[JyRO]

I've spent all day painting the house, mowing the yard, and various other outside chores. I've had all day to mull this over. I got to thinking that its really stupid of me to even argue about this with anyone. There's a lot better things for all of us to be doing, and life is too short to spend it arguing.

I apologize to everyone. I become irate when I feel like I'm being ganged up on WHEN I FEEL like my intentions are good. Like my intentions for the He11 post. Still to this day I wear a black eye for that, but honestly guys, I felt like I was being protective of the image of the TDR. My personal skills are evidently not so good, so I'm sure I could've responded to the He11 post much better.

As I could've in this whole ordeal. I wish I hadn't gone and created a whole slew of enemies here, but since I have then I'll just have to deal with it.

While mulling this over today, I got to thinking that it would be very chinsey of me to take the emails that Steve and I communicated privately with and send them to anyone. So I won't do that (and haven't sent to anyone). I'll just keep them private. Yeah, I took some shots at you Steve. But I did that in what I FELT to be self defense. I was offended by you refering to me as a poacher. The only thing I've ever poached is an egg. As for all the thread locking comments, I actually made those as reverse psychology. I didn't want you to lock this thread up so, if I said I thought you WOULD lock it up, then you'd have to prove me wrong and NOT lock it up. I have a CCW for TN. , GA. , KY. , AR. , NC. , SC. , OK. , LA. I practice safe gun handling practices, but I admit firing from a moving vehicle is a dumb thing to do.

Over the upcoming weekend, be rest assured I will be safe, I will not poach or hunt, and I will endanger noone. I'm pretty much out of the mood for firearms altogether now anyway.

MGM - I didn't wig-out. My intentions were good, I admit I could've handled it much better. I'm not a total moron, trust me, it was just a bad joke.

BigUgly - I'm calmed down now. Congrats on getting the CDW. Maybe there will be times when having the CDW will put your mind at a little more ease. (I meant that in a good positive way, I hope you realize that). One thing, and this doesn't necessarily relate to you. How come some guys on here can talk about choking out a big black cloud of smoke into some kid's Honda, just cause he's got it lowered and skateboarded, and everybody gets a big ole heehaw out of that, yet my lights are sooooo bad? I think they are a deterrant to being rearended. Let's not argue about that, pleeeeease. I just thought I'd ask. I'm not saying that you condone smoking out people for no reason though. BTW, the lights have been removed until I can fabricate better attachment brackets. They are excellent back-up lights.

MadOtis - I meant G. O. B. in a positive way. I'm from the south, and after living up here in MI. just for a short time, I have a better appreciation for life in the S. E. U. S. I have a son turning 1 on 5/29. I don't know if I could handle what you've gone through with the loss of your daughter. You have my sympathies, I wish I could say anything to help you with that. I don't think I'd ever get over something like that. I still feel like you took some shots on me, but I'm tired of arguing with you guys. We could all use our time better. And I really don't want to drag this out any further. He11, I have to admit since it seems that everyone is against me, I MUST be doing something wrong. Maybe I am a really bad person and just don't see it at all. Trust me when I say, I don't try to be a bad person, I actually try to be decent.

Anyway, I regret making the enemies I have made in the past 2 days. I guess when I read something that protrays the TDR unhealthily, I should just take it more lightly, and remember that I, pesonally, can't post ANYTHING without coming out looking like the a$$hole.

I WILL make a better effort to straighten my a$$ out to become a HEALTHY contributer to the TDR. If I can't post anything good, then I won't post anything at all (I guess that means I won't be posting much at all anymore, seeins the enemies I tend to make so effortlessly). I trully apologize.

- JyRO

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Thanks JyRO, how about we try to get the thread back onto your main topic again?

I'll be flying into the Savannah area on Friday night, 5/18. I'll be mainly in these areas; from Claxton, to Hinesville, to Savannah. I'll be leaving the area on 5/24 early morning. I'd like to meet up with any of you guys that are down there, talk trucks, and maybe see how a bombed truck performs (if your truck(s) are bombed).

So who all lives down there? I think Alan Reagan lives in the area. Alan, if you do live in the area, do you know of any other fellow TDR members down there?

-Steve

 

[RAMalama]

WOW!
I'm new to the TDR and well, wow! For the record I (as in me - myself) interpreted Jyro's comments as sarcasm. He seems to certainly know right from wrong and makes defendable decisions. It takes a big man of strong character to swallow some pride and appologize especially when it doesn't seem necessary. Even upset, Jyro articulates himself well.

Jyro-
Congrats with your son. 5/29 is a good date (mine too) 1963 though.

All-
I put my . 02 in not for Jyro (he doesn't need, or ever wanted my help) but to say feelings, opinions, right and wrong, and the law, are not black and white (wouldn't that be convenient). Sterotyping is a dangerous thing, so is judging and commenting someone as a "very dangerous person" WOW. That's where an appology is needed. Now I've contributed and open the myself to ridicule. So be it. I'm not submitting my opinion for anybody's approval, (accept maybe the web administrators) just your consideration. I've rubbed salt in a closing wound I know, but I WAS COMPELLED to reply.
Respectfully- Ian Gibson (perfect in every way) ((that was sarcasm))
Certified:
Firearms instructor
Range Safety Officer
Range Master


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[This message has been edited by RAMalama (edited 05-13-2001). ]