Ford Edge Fuel Tank Issues (Read and Heed)

[mwilson]

I just found out about this right now.

I have a parts man that took his Edge to the local Ford dealer for a C/V shaft and wheel bearing issue. When they made up the R/O and checked his VIN a recall popped up regarding the fuel tank (I have not researched this yet myself). He tells them to do what they gotta' do.

Goes to pick it up last night and they will not give it back to him. It flunked the evaluation or whatever and they can not let it leave the lot. The replacement tanks will not be out until OCTOBER.....Ford will not allow the dealers to release any of these that fail the evaluation.

Not sure where this is headed and just what kind of mess will result. If you are a one car family what would you do??

As we discuss this the son of one of our techs is in the same boat, they have had his for over two months already...

So if you have one of these DON'T take it in yet unless you want to walk home. They gave my guy a rental last night as a short term solution but going forward we don't know what will happen.

I will add to this as we learn more about it....

 

[mwilson]

Northern States and Canada...

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...l-for-certain-2007-2008-ford-edge-and-li.html

 

[mwilson]

Nowhere can I find where they keep your vehicle if there is a leak upon inspection...but with GM's ignition switch debacle they probably have to....

Unchecked litigation is going to ruin us all....

 

[SnoKing]

Unchecked litigation is going to ruin us all....

And crappy vehicle construction is not killing people????? I wonder if anyone has been killed in a death wobble Dodge! SNOKING

 

[mwilson]

There was a time not long ago where common sense was the order of the day..

If you car shut off going up the road you dealt with it even though the power brakes and power steering quit......happened to me many times over the years and I'm still drawing breath..
You did not hang 5 lbs of S**t off of the ingition key, but if you did you were not surprised when the switch rotated on it's own.....
If your fuel tank started to seep you put 10 gallons of gas in at a time and didn't park it where fumes could be an issue until you got it fixed...
If the leak was on the bottom you took a sheet metal screw, coated it with Seal-All and screwed it in.
If your throttle pedal stuck you either kicked the floor mat out of the way or shut it down.
If your 4 wheel drive went into the death wobble you got the brakes on and pulled over. Then you were more careful on expansion joints and rail road tracks. Even fixed the loose components if it was bad enough. You didn't go after the company that built the truck 10 years and 100,000 miles before.

Now with common sense gone and the dumbing down of the American gene pool it's a feeding frenzy for every ambulance chasing lawyer in the country every time something goes wrong. Never mind the 2,000,000 of them that never gave an ounce of trouble, let's focus on the three that did.
So now a recall of that nature means that you will be on foot until parts are available for fear of litigation should that shop release that vehicle with a known defect??? Right.....

Wonder why we are falling behind?? Nobody dares to bring innovations to market for fear of being sued.

Crappy vehicle construction??? There are issues with any machine. It's the litigious reaction that galls me over and above the corrections that are made. It's never enough...

 

[JLEONARD]

Doesn't he have a spare key? Guess what, midnight recovery.
And my guess only because I work for a company that makes car components, is that Ford (or any of the car companies) really doesn't know exactly which vehicles really need the replacement. They recall a large window because they can't nail it down any closer.
Yea maybe better safe than sorry but that is why it takes so long to get the replacement parts. Whomever manufactures them has to literally double their production. That can't be turned on and off quickly.

 

[SnoKing]

There was a time not long ago where common sense was the order of the day..

If you car shut off going up the road you dealt with it even though the power brakes and power steering quit......happened to me many times over the years and I'm still drawing breath..
You did not hang 5 lbs of S**t off of the ingition key, but if you did you were not surprised when the switch rotated on it's own.....
If your fuel tank started to seep you put 10 gallons of gas in at a time and didn't park it where fumes could be an issue until you got it fixed...
If the leak was on the bottom you took a sheet metal screw, coated it with Seal-All and screwed it in.
If your throttle pedal stuck you either kicked the floor mat out of the way or shut it down.
If your 4 wheel drive went into the death wobble you got the brakes on and pulled over. Then you were more careful on expansion joints and rail road tracks. Even fixed the loose components if it was bad enough. You didn't go after the company that built the truck 10 years and 100,000 miles before.

Now with common sense gone and the dumbing down of the American gene pool it's a feeding frenzy for every ambulance chasing lawyer in the country every time something goes wrong. Never mind the 2,000,000 of them that never gave an ounce of trouble, let's focus on the three that did.
So now a recall of that nature means that you will be on foot until parts are available for fear of litigation should that shop release that vehicle with a known defect??? Right.....

Wonder why we are falling behind?? Nobody dares to bring innovations to market for fear of being sued.

Crappy vehicle construction??? There are issues with any machine. It's the litigious reaction that galls me over and above the corrections that are made. It's never enough...

Jump over to the warranty post and read about the people that do not buy warranties on Honda's and Toyota's! I owned 6 Honda's over many years. In 2001 when we bought the last new one, they asked about a warranty contract, and I said "excuse me, but what did the big blue sign on the building say?" And they said, well moving right along, please sign here and here are your keys to your new Honda! None of those cars knew that the dealer had a service department, except the 77 Accord CVCC that smoked and the recent used 91 Prelude that Honda replaced the seat belts on a 20 year old vehicle because the belt retractors did not work right.

Got a letter on the 2001 that they extended the transmission warranty to 100K because a few had issues.

Snoking

 

[Jim W]

Mike; you are forgetting that 90% of the young adults today do not even know which end of a screw driver to use. When I was working before I retired part of my job responsibility was to interval potential new hirers for an engineering jobs. Right before the interval was about to be finish; I would always ask the potential new hire what they did outside of study/work. 90% would say play video games or so very few ever worked with their hands. Most of them have never grown up on a farm nor do they work around the house. Why? Because their parent don't work around the house; they always hire it to be repaired or throw the item out and buy new.

I felt if you were going to be hired to design tractors/vehicles you better know which end of a screw driver/wrench was needed to fasten something. Today we are turning out a lot of book smart people but very very few worker bees with common sense. Most of the designers today need to be retrained and the companies are doing this but it takes design experience to do this. That is why we have design issues and manufacturing issues with our products today.

My favorite line when I reviewed the designs and would critiqued their design was:will it looked good/worked on the computer screen/paper.

And then you have the bottom feeders advertising on TV saying call me 1/800/bad/drug we will get your money that you deserve.

Jim W.

 

[mwilson]

It may be that the new Edge vehicles take a different tank anyway so a vendor has to ramp up to build the 07-08 style.

Plus it applies only to corrosive states, similar to the rear axle rot experienced on the Ford Windstar mini vans. A lot of those where changed but I did not hear of the vehicles being pulled off the road for it.

 

[SnoKing]

The GM 360's (Trailer Blazer, Rainier, Envoy) have a similar recall for the pipe fittings on the top of the fuel tank. Applies to vehicles in the rust belt only!

SNOKING

 

[mwilson]

You can't say that the Japanese are immune, I'd like to know how much the foot throttle debacle has cost Toyota.

I'd think elimination of the push button start / stop system would have been a better solution because it seems to confuse people when you need to shut it down right now...

At least a Billion plus.....https://www.cars.com/articles/2014/03/toyota-to-pay-12-billion-to-settle-us-criminal-probe/

 

[SnoKing]

Mike; you are forgetting that 90% of the young adults today do not even know which end of a screw driver to use. When I was working before I retired part of my job responsibility was to interval potential new hirers for an engineering jobs. Right before the interval was about to be finish; I would always ask the potential new hire what they did outside of study/work. 90% would say play video games or so very few ever worked with their hands. Most of them have never grown up on a farm nor do they work around the house. Why? Because their parent don't work around the house; they always hire it to be repaired or throw the item out and buy new.

I felt if you were going to be hired to design tractors/vehicles you better know which end of a screw driver/wrench was needed to fasten something. Today we are turning out a lot of book smart people but very very few worker bees with common sense. Most of the designers today need to be retrained and the companies are doing this but it takes design experience to do this. That is why we have design issues and manufacturing issues with our products today.

My favorite line when I reviewed the designs and would critiqued their design was:will it looked good/worked on the computer screen/paper.

And then you have the bottom feeders advertising on TV saying call me 1/800/bad/drug we will get your money that you deserve.

Jim W.

Education in the US is falling way behind! Reinstating the draft would be a good start! If they did not learn anything at home or in school let the military beat it into them, but might take 6-8 years of service. Of course they will have to hire someone to fix the Tanks and Ships in the mean time!!!! Please remind me why we brought into the globalization? Oh, now I remember, so the rich could get richer!

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[TFucili]

Jump over to the warranty post and read about the people that do not buy warranties on Honda's and Toyota's! I owned 6 Honda's over many years. In 2001 when we bought the last new one, they asked about a warranty contract, and I said "excuse me, but what did the big blue sign on the building say?" And they said, well moving right along, please sign here and here are your keys to your new Honda! None of those cars knew that the dealer had a service department, except the 77 Accord CVCC that smoked and the recent used 91 Prelude that Honda replaced the seat belts on a 20 year old vehicle because the belt retractors did not work right.

Got a letter on the 2001 that they extended the transmission warranty to 100K because a few had issues.

Snoking

That's a load of pure dung. Just because you had good luck, like some 6.0 Ford owners did, doesn't mean they don't make junk. I have owned some. Toyota 4-Runner, can you say 3VZE head gaskets? Fred Flintstone EFI issue they could never find-getting 9MPG, worse than a rollback I had at the time with a 454 Chevy. Brake bias so screwed up it was un-driveable on icy roads until I made my own fix. Vehicle speed sensor. A/C problems. Incredibly annoying squeak in front end that the dealer never could fix-I eventually found it. my uncle had a Toyota pickup that had plenty of issues as well. My friend had a Honda Pilot that he Lemon Lawed. They are not immune from designing crap.

 

[TFucili]

There was a time not long ago where common sense was the order of the day..

If you car shut off going up the road you dealt with it even though the power brakes and power steering quit......happened to me many times over the years and I'm still drawing breath..
You did not hang 5 lbs of S**t off of the ingition key, but if you did you were not surprised when the switch rotated on it's own.....
If your fuel tank started to seep you put 10 gallons of gas in at a time and didn't park it where fumes could be an issue until you got it fixed...
If the leak was on the bottom you took a sheet metal screw, coated it with Seal-All and screwed it in.
If your throttle pedal stuck you either kicked the floor mat out of the way or shut it down.
If your 4 wheel drive went into the death wobble you got the brakes on and pulled over. Then you were more careful on expansion joints and rail road tracks. Even fixed the loose components if it was bad enough. You didn't go after the company that built the truck 10 years and 100,000 miles before.

Now with common sense gone and the dumbing down of the American gene pool it's a feeding frenzy for every ambulance chasing lawyer in the country every time something goes wrong. Never mind the 2,000,000 of them that never gave an ounce of trouble, let's focus on the three that did.
So now a recall of that nature means that you will be on foot until parts are available for fear of litigation should that shop release that vehicle with a known defect??? Right.....

Wonder why we are falling behind?? Nobody dares to bring innovations to market for fear of being sued.

Crappy vehicle construction??? There are issues with any machine. It's the litigious reaction that galls me over and above the corrections that are made. It's never enough...

Right on the money 100%! When I was a John Deere dealer, at almost every meeting of any kind I went to, they had a corporate attorney discussing liability and litigation. They told some stories that just made my blood boil.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Ford Pinto engineering lives on.

 

[mwilson]

He just got off the phone after talking to the dealer. There is now a 2014 Nissan Rogue rental waiting for him. They tell him no charge. He is going up at lunch time to verify all of this before he takes his stuff out of the Edge.

Will keep you posted.

 

[mwilson]

Hope the Nissan has it's recalls performed before Jim takes it...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/cars/...b7b3de-a742-11e4-a162-121d06ca77f1_story.html

 

[jhenderson]

I'm confused as to how a company can confiscate your personal property and not make arrangements for your transportation. Around here we call that theft.

 

[Tractorat]

I had a similar situation years ago. I was driving down the freeway and all of a sudden I couldnt turn the steering wheel. Luckily I was able to muscle thru it. Something had broken and was hanging up in the steering column.

I took it to the buick dealer and they wanted to keep it overnight to fix it. I told them I would bring it back the next day for repair. Well, they told me they could not and would not let me take the care because it was a safety issue. Things got pretty ugly and I'm afraid I may have intimidated some of them just a little. Well, someone finally suggested that I just sign something relieving them of any liability. That worked for me, and I just came back the next day. I think that when I muscled thru whatever had broken, I probably snapped off what was hanging up and was "probably" safe.

Anyway, I didnt kill anybody.