Competition Forget PSD's what about D-Maxs

[832]

I have to say that I am a CTD owner and I like my truck alot but I do have to say those D-Maxs are making some serious hp lately. Just on saturday a guy pulled 614hp 1050 torque with propane and 550ish on straight #2. I did talk to him and he was pretty cool guy and he had alot of money invested in it but just wanted to know other guys that are competing against them think.

 

[Grey Wolf]

Yes they are, the ones that run at the local DHRA events (LACR) are pretty quick... ... ... .

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

All depends on your perspective as to what YOU want outta your truck, and why we buy diesels rather than gasser rigs. It also involves other operational advantages traditionally provided by diesels vs gassers.



Certainly, if drag racing is your bag, the V8's clearly hold the advantage due to their higher reving ability while developing power - but the NEED for higher revs to develop power has been precisely why diesels have been used in heavy-duty use to begin with.



Typically, higher reving engines wear out faster, consume more fuel, and are generally less reliable than slower reving engines. Unfortunately, as inline engines like our Cummins work to maintain power equality with the V8's - as well as meet ever tightening EPA mandates, the traditional advantages of inline design seems to erode as well.



If all I wanted was a peppy commute rig, I probably would be quite happy with a V8 - and probably a gas rig instead of diesel, since the latest gassers seem quite capable of the same long engine life as diesels, they do it at cheaper original cost, and gas prices in most areas are less than diesel.



Yeah, this "diesel thing", as well as V8 vs inline 6 is LOTS muddier than it was 10 or 15 years ago...

 

[WadePatton]

what to do when out-run, pulled, dynoed.

What anybody does. Jump in on that hip, bleed a little green.



Personally I don't care if V-8 diesels are the next thing to go to the moon, I don't like 'em. Engine wise---well what in HECK is "wise" about vee configuration and diesel? Anyhoo, they sound funny, and are more complex (read PIA), and don't make the torque that is so handy for everyday driving.



Chassis/Body wise, Ford lost me when the went all STUPER DOOTY in the late 90's. Genital Motors--well, I just dislike about everything they do. They put more gimmicky, cheesy, gadgety crap in/on/around a vehicle than anybody ever wanted. GM sells alot of stuff, but I think that's a triumph of the marketing department.



FTR I have been beaten by Fords and one Suzumax on the pulling track, none on the road.



If the sweet sounds of a CTD playing through a non-restrictive exhaust doesn't still cause your nipples to stiffen slightly, then go. You've lost it.



I still got it. :-laf



Hey Gary when did you change the call? de W1ADE

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Hey Gary when did you change the call? de W1ADE"



When we moved up here from Commie-California to beautiful eastern Oregon - where Dodges outsell Fords/GM's by about 5 to 1... Even my brother-in-law, who is not a "car guy" noticed and commented on the ratio - these serious big ranchers LOVE their Dodge/Cummins rigs! :-laf :-laf



And yeah, in serious work, the Cummins still shines - but we'd have to have a serious blind spot to not notice how the gap is closing, and I personally feel we have environmentalists and EPA to thank for that, as they mandate engine operating mods that literally force the Cummins into operating parameters that seriously compromise the features that made it so superior to begin with.

 

[832]

Don't get me wrong I don't plan on getting rid of my CTD but it is hard not to notice the performance of these motors in the last few years. I feel that I-6 motors are superior if look at the trend of v-8 diesels in agriculture, heavy equipment, and big rigs. They tried them and they didnt last. Trust me my old nieghbor went thru 3 engines in his International 4wd in 6-7 years. Hopefully with the duramax advances it will push the aftermarket to make better and more mods for our Cummins. As they say competition breeds inovation so lets see what happens.

 

[I-6DZL]

If not mistaken

The dmax had roughly 14 to 16 g's rapped up into his truck. Between the trans, turbo, propane, headstuds, 2 boxes (i think, maybe more ?) and everything else he had.



If you put that kind of cash into a cummins, well all i'm going to say, is HOLD ON TIGHT.



6g's on trans, and 10g's for add-ons. WOW... ... . A Certain pucker factor would happen.



Now i could be wrong, but i know i'm in the ball park.



Curtis

 

[jwilliams3]

The Cummins would be around the same power level.

The big money is on the trans.

 

[832]

I totally agree with you Curtis on the power for a cummins with the same amount invested. I guess what I am trying to say is the short period the motor has been around and how far it has came. Hey Curtis I take it a PSD showed up and put some good numbers down over the weekend. Just my 2 cents.

 

[CLAYTON]

If the sweet sounds of a CTD playing through a non-restrictive exhaust doesn't still cause your nipples to stiffen slightly, then go. You've lost it.

Well Said :-laf

 

[I-6DZL]

yeah a ford joined the game with respectible #'s ( for a ford) o & like 38" tires. JWilliams you don't think the Cummins would lay down higher #'s? Care to tell us why?



thanks

Curtis

 

[Dockboy]

yeah a ford joined the game with respectible #'s ( for a ford)



thanks

Curtis

Oh... ... ... ... ... ... ... . That's a good one Curtis :-laf :-laf

 

[WadePatton]

There was a Suzumax at the shop the other day---dang it was purty, for a GM.



It was shiney and new and had aftermarket bumpers, suspension, bars, 20" teflon-coated wheels, super aggressive tires, winch, big exhaust, the latest Edge product on the A pillar, etc.



What did we see in the bed?



golf tees.



That truck certainly wins the show-down at Sonic, but I'll be more impressed to see it hooked to the sled. Don't think he wants to drag race on those tires.



I could buy a whole truck for what this guy had in bolt-ons. And it would sound better--and pull pretty good too.