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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) FP Gauge installed! lessons learned!

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Hi everyone! I learned a lot in the course of installing my FP gauge recently, so I thought I would post what I learned and save someone else some headaches.



1) Do research thoroughly before you start. Because I wasn't as thorough as i should have been, I ended up using braided stainless line where a push-on socketless type would have been much easier and cheaper.



2) Braided Stainless is a PITA! Great once you get it done, but consider it a LAST RESORT. Most applications don't NEED braided line. I personally spent almost 2 days of free time just getting the ends on! I ended up chamfering the ends with a 3/4 inch countersink bit to get the hose in.



3) To cut braided stainless, I found that strapping tape and a Dremel worked the best-- nice clean cut with no fraying. Make sure you cut around the braided perimeter first, then cut through the line, instead of just going straight through. Enjoy the smell of hot rubber as you do.



4) Mechanical gauge seems to be the best bet for reliability in the long term. Electrics toss sending units regularly when strapped to the mighty Cummins for a rough ride.



5) Enterprise Engine is a great company! I installed their house brand 30PSI mechanical gauge (made by Hewitt) and I love it. I was real pleased with their service and feel I got great value for my money.



6) Use SEALANT on ALL NPT threads. Most of you know this, but it bears repeating.



7) If you use an isolator and need to replace the fluid, regular antifreeze will work (diluted) but doesn't flow well down the line. Mix up some water, a little bit of anti freeze, a good bit of rubbing alcohol, and a tiny drop of dishwashing liquid and you are set. This stuff is a lot thinner than the fluid that normally runs in the capillary tubing, so it's a lot easier to get the air out of the lines.



8) A coathanger can help you route stuff through the dash and behind trim. Getting a big -04AN line up is a LOT harder than regular capillary line (see #1).



9) Piercing some of the existing rubber grommets in the firewall makes a good place to route stuff from engine compartment to cab.



My setup is pretty simple. I took the core out of the Schrader on the VP44. I screwed on an adapter (from NAPA) that let me go to 1/8NPT female threads. Screwed a grease gun hose into that. Other end of grease gun hose goes to isolator (which is female 1/8NPT on both ends on the one that Enterprise supplies with their gauge). Braided stainless connects the isolator to the gauge. It's simple, but took more doing than I anticipated. Isn't that always the case?



I would only change one thing, and that would be to use socketless hose in place of the braided line. It's overkill to use braided on something that maxes out under 20PSI.



I fuel pressures are 15 idle, 12-13 cruise, and as low as 8 WFO, but I have to WORK to get it down around 8, and it doesn't want to stay there.



HTH



HOHN
 
Aparently you didn't know that you can buy preassembled -4 SS line form places like summit, and jegs. They come in lengths of 2', 4', '6 , complete with an assortment of fittings, reasonably priced, and a snap to make your connections.



As far as SS being overkill, when considering the pressures, yes it's plenty, but the routing of the hose from the engine through the firewall, under and throughout the dash, and up the pillar, it does contact plenty of obstructions. I used SS line for the anti-chafe factor, not so much as the pressure factor.



Later, Rob
 
MAN!



Talk about swatting gnats with a sledgehammer... :p ;) :D



Makes me feel like a piker, with my A/C adapter hose, electrical sender and westach pillar mount... :D :D
 
Hey u guys are making me feel bad, I just used the Schrader fitting and hose off my fuel test gauge, the connected that to the capillary tubing then ran that to the gauge on the a-pillar, just used thread sealant and have never had a leak.

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Gary and Jrollins, ummmm, whats your point(s)? I have an idea of Garys, this is the same guy that uses old socks to repair his $30,000+ truck. :D



Later, Rob
 
"I have an idea of Garys, this is the same guy that uses old socks to repair his $30,000+ truck. "



HEY - that idea was the result of careful thought and sound engineering principles, and... .



DANG, lost my train of thought..... :D :D :D



Besides we ALL know overkill is a GOOD thing - and the mighty Cummins deserves the best! (old socks not necessarily included!)
 
Hohn Where did you access the inside of the A-Pillar

from under the dash?



My gauges have been back ordered from Genos for almost a month now. Assuming they will show up soon I will take your advice on the planning.
 
After you remove the stock plastic A pillar cover, you will see several fairly large access holes stamped in the metal - use a clothes hanger with a small loop in the end to carefully thread down that support to a point below the dash next to the kick panel - attach stuff to be pulled back up, and away you go... ;)
 
Hohn,



I haven't attempted to install gauges yet (VERY near future). Thanks for taking your time to help some of us avoid learning the hard way. That's why this organization is so very helpful... . guys like you!



David
 
I am with Rob. I figured out what I needed and went to the local hydraulic shop and had it made. Is not worth the hassle to make it yourself. :)
 
Well,just finished putting the fourth f/p gauge in the beast!!The first two were electric senders,nether one lasted very long:mad: went to a mech gauge, and the first one had a kink in the capillary tube and it would not move. on to number four, take it out of the package and it has a restrictor in it:confused: O well get out the drill and take care of that problem! finally got one that's working:D Ran the braided down the pillar into eng.comp. to the isolator and from there to the pump with blue areoquip hose and push on fittings.





Mike
 
I've had no problem whatsoever using 1/8" boost tubing pushed though an outer protective sheath of 1/4'' tubing for several mechanical FP gauges, no isolator but a $3 needle valve for a snubber. Cheap, totally adequate and much easier to route than braided hose.
 
Re: Hohn Where did you access the inside of the A-Pillar

Originally posted by jjohn

from under the dash?



My gauges have been back ordered from Genos for almost a month now. Assuming they will show up soon I will take your advice on the planning.



Here's how I routed my hose:



From the engine compartment, I cut a small slit into the grommet that has the main wiring harness (near the top driver's side of the firewall) You will see that there's a lot of room to run other things through that hole as well.



This will enter the cab above and to the left of the steering column. From there, I sneaked it up and over to where it was sticking out the fusebox access panel in the doorjamb. From just inside this access panel, you can route stuff up the A-pillar with ease.



Of course, since I like the hard way, I routed the hose up the crack where the A-pillar meets the dash using the same fusepanel entry point. Then the hose goes into the hogged-out back of my VDO mounting cup.



You would be surprised (I was anyway) at just how much bending and prying you can do to those plastic trim pieces on the A-pillar and dash, and they go right back to where they should be.



The best bet I found for routing the hoses is to use those LONG cabinetry screwdrivers (Phillips won't scracth the plastic as bad) and/or long 1/4" drive socket extensions. Then you can pry away and feed the hose up like you are a surgeon doing a "scope"!



If I can feed braided line the thickness of your ring finger up there, then regular plastic capillary line should be easy (and it was, when I tried it before the braided line).



Rob!! They sell pre-assembled lines!! SHEESH I wISH I WOULD HAVE KNOWN!!



I guess that goes back to my reasearch point, eh??



Physician, heal thyself... .





HOHN
 
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Save the hassle!

I'n not here to rock the boat, If you like Dipricol gauges, you should order them from Ken Jones @ Diesel Performance of Utah #801-791-2328.



He has developed a complete kit , for the fuel pressure gauge, which comes with a prefilled 1/8" line of antifreeze, isolator, line from the isolator to the banjo , including the fittings. Install time 1/2 hour and no "leaks".



No one else has this set-up!!!



Steve :D
 
Anywhere you want!!!

Red... . You can mount it in any pod of your choice. . Pillar, dash etc. I've got all three in the pillar, Boost, Pyro, and fuel.



They are the standard 2-1/16" Mechanical gauges.



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Sorry if its a poor pic, the fuel pressure gauge is on the bottom.



Steve
 
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