Fuelfilter base, to add cat filter

[promisedland]

Where can i buy a filter base that takes the Cat 1r-0750 fuel filter. =[1-14] I know i can buy ready to use kits, but i want to select where i mount the filter to suit my 'stuffy' tastes. I expect i could save a few bucks as well. I will soon be bolting my single filter FASS to my Ram and would like to add one more filter between the oem can. and the CP3. I looked at some $30=- bases on Amazon but just didnt feel comfy with the unknown build quality.
Any thoughts? Thanks!!

 

[Wayne M.]

I bought my home brewed system base on amazon. It was wix and came from a diesel shop.
Here's the link to my thread.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com...el-filtration?highlight=Secondary+fuel+filter

 

[promisedland]

Thanks!, Now i see where you live!

 

[TCDiesel]

The problem those spin-ons create ...if installed after the factory canisters ,if the factory canister filter get plugged X% it will starve the additional filter, most spin-ons have a bypass installed by law, the GP creates 25HG it will suck all the contaminates form the additional filter. The go around is a bypass line W/ one way valve, that way it will never get into vacuum.

 

[brods]

Why connect the new filter between the stock filter and the CP3 anyway? What benefit will that give? Better to mount the new filter before the stock filter. That way the stock filter can catch any debris that gets into the system from the new filter install. Stepped filtration you say? That is misunderstood by the interweb experts. The main reason to go with stepped or staged filtration would be if the dirt load of large particles is so high that a finer filter would prematurely clog with the large particles making the change intervals unacceptably short. Judging from the change intervals reported on this forum, premature clogging due to large particulate is a non issue. So it is better to run two 2 mic filters in series than to run a 10 mic and a 2 mic filter.

Add a good water separator and then the fine filter before the stock housing and call it good. Throw the finest filter you can get in the stock housing if it makes you feel better. And do yourself a favor and do not mount the spin on filters to the engine. It amazes me that guys go nuts to buy the filter with the "very best" specs (like that filter is somehow light years better than the other similar filters :rolleyes) and then they go and degrade its performance by mounting it to the vibrating engine. D'oh!

 

[TCDiesel]

Why connect the new filter between the stock filter and the CP3 anyway? What benefit will that give? Better to mount the new filter before the stock filter. That way the stock filter can catch any debris that gets into the system from the new filter install. Stepped filtration you say? That is misunderstood by the interweb experts. The main reason to go with stepped or staged filtration would be if the dirt load of large particles is so high that a finer filter would prematurely clog with the large particles making the change intervals unacceptably short. Judging from the change intervals reported on this forum, premature clogging due to large particulate is a non issue. So it is better to run two 2 mic filters in series than to run a 10 mic and a 2 mic filter.

Add a good water separator and then the fine filter before the stock housing and call it good. Throw the finest filter you can get in the stock housing if it makes you feel better. And do yourself a favor and do not mount the spin on filters to the engine. It amazes me that guys go nuts to buy the filter with the "very best" specs (like that filter is somehow light years better than the other similar filters :rolleyes) and then they go and degrade its performance by mounting it to the vibrating engine. D'oh!

X2, I also forgot to mention that if you install any type of gage on the head You had better carry a plug for the outlet, BC that engine is going to destroy that gage (Unless liquid filled) and it will leak.

Brods the only advantage to have the filter after the canister is BC the canister is heated. Fuel it pretty darn good these days so gelling would be Summer fuel left over and used in the winter, Like the guy who has 100 gallon bed tank and fills it in OCT then uses the Fuel in DEC in -0 temps. IMO the Fuel is good to -0F anywhere in NA. If you live in temps colder then that you need to plan for the -0 temps.

 

[Wayne M.]

It's amazing how people question millions in engineering. How can anyone question the practice of engine mounted filtration? I guess we have Chassis mounted filter kit stockholders here.

 

[TCDiesel]

Did the engineers forget the downstream GP which produces 25hg, or the rated inlet Pressure, in that diagram? all those millions and forgot That!!!!!!! works is one thing, correct is another. The filter manufactures are so dirty with the ratings they will never come clean.. 2mic rating=read my lips no more taxes..........

Why would I want to clutter up My engine bay with more plumbing and Hardware.

 

[brods]

It's amazing how people question millions in engineering. How can anyone question the practice of engine mounted filtration? I guess we have Chassis mounted filter kit stockholders here.

Um, ok, then by that logic, why is everyone adding more filtration when the OEMs have invested "millions" in the stock filtration? OEM engineers have to make compromises. Engine mounted filters are easy and cheap packaging. In the old days it was good enough. Now when trying to filter down to 1 or 2 micron it does make a difference. It is proven fact that vibrations and pulsations are detrimental to the filter's efficiency. Combine vibration AND pulsations and you have a synergy that makes it even worse. Again I will question why would you put forth the effort to buy the "best" filter and then not install it in such a way to optimize its performance? But don't take my word for it and my 30+ years in the filtration industry, do a search and enlighten yourself. Its all been posted on this forum time and time again. Here I'll make it easy and give you a link: http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/489/filter-flow-vibration

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[TCDiesel]

BC its just that its filtration...Contamination is another...and the only way to stop that is Auxiliary or bypass filtration and that cost $$$. I do concede more filtration (multi-pass) is always better, The only 100% absolute solution is Bypass/auxiliary system.

In order to get correct ratings the Volume and PSI must be stated, Generally the higher PSI the lower the Mic, couple that with X volume=Mic @X%=Mic on 1st pass.

 

[Wayne M.]

This is really becoming a rhetorical mess. Need to get back to the OP. I will finish up by stating that I too have 30 years in the auto/truck/marine/fleet maintenance business. I hold no degree but I study and hold in my head designs I come across. I'm not a grease monkey- I thoroughly understand what I do and why it's done. I understand that there are many versions of our beloved common rail cummins. I understand that the Ram version of the 03-07 engine has it's filtration system spec'd by Dodge. I was surprised that cummins allowed it, but after all, it is/was Dodge holding the warranty bag on it. In 2003 Komatsu used a version of the 5.9 in the WA580 wheel loader. This CPL includes the engine mounted final filter in the diagram above. This was after a 30um racor Water sep. THIS arrangement was certified and warrantied by cummins. Far as I can tell, it's plumbed similarly to the GDP et al.
I'm confident that what I did is an improvement over what the truck was born with, and I doubt the system will go into a vacuum between the final and CP3. I've already been in a power loss situation where I believe my kit yielded a benefit. I'm at the point that whatever time I get from my components from here, is gravy. When I loose an injector, I hope to do a failure analysis. The true lesson will be learned then.

 

[brods]

Not sure what you mean by it being a rhetorical mess. It is about facts which are apparently inconvenient with personal views. Mounting a filter to a vibrating engine WILL reduce its performance. I’m always amazed at the pushback this fact produces. The physical world is what it is. You or I cannot change it by wishing it were different.

Is a larger capacity 2 mic filter mounted to a vibrating engine better than the stock 7 mic mounted to the same engine? Most certainly (as long as the stock filter’s water separating ability is retained somewhere in the system). Is it ideal? No. That is why I’m suggesting to the OP that he not mount the filter to the engine while he is still deciding what he wants to do.

 

[Wayne M.]

I think he's considering his options. Regarding vibration- in the big picture, the ISBe is a pretty smooth engine. Everything is a trade off. You can do an off engine remote mount, but if it will be based on GDP idea I feel there will be too much flexible line (a liability) and it may need to be mounted lower than it needs to be, causing more stress for the CP3. In this case you might see problems if prime is lost for some reason.
I'm interested to see what he comes up with.

 

[brods]

Yet another reason to mount the spin on to the frame back by the fass and leave the factory plumbing to the stock filter and from the stock filter to the CP3 alone. If it were my truck I'd add a heater to spin on filter.

 

[CKelley1]

the part# for napa is 4770 for wix 24770, the cat 1R0749 is a taller version of 1R0750 all of our fleet run the following and the first one was installed in 2003 to eliminate sticking injectors on our new common rails, some of our 06's still have the factory installed filter in them, it will get 20* below zero one or two times a year with these larger filters we have never had them gel up, the w/s is a wix 33406 connect the gauge to the cp3 using a snubber or needle valve and do not change filters until pressure drops to 3psi. pm me if you want how to
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[CKelley1]

one other thing do not waste your money on the fass, we have never had a tank pump wear or fail,

 

[promisedland]

WOW!!! I somehow missed the tread that i started....
My head is spinning and i feel dizzy!

 

[promisedland]

Well, i already have a FASS pump. The plat. series with one filter. I will be replacing the in-tank pump when i drop the my tank to fix a 'top of tank' leak. I also have the FASS draw straw that will be installed then. I like this setup as you dont have to cut the filler hose. Was told the FASS runs quieter with the straw.
I bought the FASS for my VP RAM and robbed it off the truck when i sold it to limit my loss...[$]
My 04.5 has the in-tank pump....
Gauge?... i prob will run a high quality fuel hose into the cab to moniter LP psi, i used S.S. braided line on my VP Ram. I Tee'ed a S.S. tee into the 3/8'' Jiffy hose.

Where to mount the aux filter? Eng mount doesnt appeal to me as i like SOME open space in the eng bay! Vibes could be a prob.... Before OEM??? hmmmmm.