Fuse or Short Issue??

[Rowdy Dalton]

I have a 2006 4x4 5.9 with 185,000 miles. I have owned it since new. Very few issues. But, I started it in the rain yesterday, and things didn't work.
No Windshield Wipers
No Turn Signals
No Radio
No A/C, or Blower
Airbag Light On

It ran fine, and the headlights worked. I pulled into an auto parts store, and started looking at all the fuses. They looked fine, except one, that was slightly bubbled but not blown. I gave up, and decided to head home.
Well, everything worked fine now. I went to start it in the morning, and zero problems.
I want to get ahead of a potential issue. What could be the issue. BTW, I tried searching on the forum, and didn't find a similar issue with anyone else's. Maybe I am not asking the right question, or search words.

 

[Topzide]

The bubbled one shows that circuit was hot and might be a faulty fuse. Check connectors on harness for looseness or damage. Replace that one bubbled fuse. Look for tracking in the fuse block (corrosion). Water seems to be the problem, maybe take a spray bottle with water to connections to see if problem can be duplicated. Good luck.

 

[bighammer]

I wonder if those are all common to the TIPM and maybe it just needed a reboot? I miss the days of direct-wired simple circuits.

 

[Yo Hoot]

I have a 2006 4x4 5.9 with 185,000 miles. I have owned it since new. Very few issues. But, I started it in the rain yesterday, and things didn't work.
No Windshield Wipers
No Turn Signals
No Radio
No A/C, or Blower
Airbag Light On

It ran fine, and the headlights worked. I pulled into an auto parts store, and started looking at all the fuses. They looked fine, except one, that was slightly bubbled but not blown. I gave up, and decided to head home.
Well, everything worked fine now. I went to start it in the morning, and zero problems.
I want to get ahead of a potential issue. What could be the issue. BTW, I tried searching on the forum, and didn't find a similar issue with anyone else's. Maybe I am not asking the right question, or search words.

 

[Yo Hoot]

Airbag light in my 2004 along with radio control issues ended up being the clockspring in the steering wheel.

 

[bighammer]

Heater controls on the wheel? Yo Hoot might be onto something with the clockspring suggestion.

 

[Rowdy Dalton]

Airbag light in my 2004 along with radio control issues ended up being the clockspring in the steering wheel.

Will a defective "Clock Spring" affect the turn signal, and the radio?? My radio has no settings on the steering wheel.

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[Yo Hoot]

Will a defective "Clock Spring" affect the turn signal, and the radio?? My radio has no settings on the steering wheel.

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Mine has buttons in back of the steering wheel.
They can change channels and volume.

 

[Ozymandias]

So many issues at the very same time would let me have a look at the TIPM connection for loosened pins and corrosion. Everything you mention connects right there at the TIPM. And it can get wet in heavy rain.

 

[Rowdy Dalton]

I'm wondering if me Removing all the fuses then installing them back could have alleviated the issue?? I will look again, at all suspect fuses, and replace them. I will also clean all areas around and inside the TIPM fuse area, and power connector.
Btw, i hate, and I mean "HATE" trying to figure out electrical issues.

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[nibroc]

all grounds need to be clean and tight

 

[Timd32]

'06 are having a rough week.

Kinda looks like a TIPM or a CanBus B issue. Been a bunch of these and I looked over a few diagrams and the blower motor stands out.

No Windshield Wipers
Looks like the Multifunction Switch on the column reports to the Cluster. The Cluster via the CanBus B loop to the TIPM which controls the Wipers.

No Turn Signals
Same as the Windshield Wipers, MFS to the Cluster, Cluster to TIPM via CanBus B.

No Radio
CanBus B, did not look too deep into this one. But there are multiple parts of the radio on the network.

No A/C, or Blower
The blower is interesting atleast the manual drawing I looked at, anyone know if there is another model/version.

But there is a Fused IGN run/Start feed via the TIPM to a pretty basic resistor switch for the speed, then to the AC controls there is an actual fused circuit, which you guessed it AC controls report back via CanBus B to the TIPM.

But the blower is basically mechanical on this print. But is fed from the TIPM.

Airbag Light On
It's also on the CanBus B loop, did not dig into it.

So possible something is dragging that network down that's bad, but I feel the blower should work possibly. Unless there is a fancy model that's going to be TIPM controlled.

I'm not saying it's a bad TIPM but it sure seems like that's a good starting point along with the CanBus B diagnostic checks.

Which as we found on another post run via you guessed it the TIPM will report back CanBus B faults.

Interesting series of posts this week.

 

[Rowdy Dalton]

'06 are having a rough week.

Kinda looks like a TIPM or a CanBus B issue. Been a bunch of these and I looked over a few diagrams and the blower motor stands out.

No Windshield Wipers
Looks like the Multifunction Switch on the column reports to the Cluster. The Cluster via the CanBus B loop to the TIPM which controls the Wipers.

No Turn Signals
Same as the Windshield Wipers, MFS to the Cluster, Cluster to TIPM via CanBus B.

No Radio
CanBus B, did not look too deep into this one. But there are multiple parts of the radio on the network.

No A/C, or Blower
The blower is interesting atleast the manual drawing I looked at, anyone know if there is another model/version.

But there is a Fused IGN run/Start feed via the TIPM to a pretty basic resistor switch for the speed, then to the AC controls there is an actual fused circuit, which you guessed it AC controls report back via CanBus B to the TIPM.

But the blower is basically mechanical on this print. But is fed from the TIPM.

Airbag Light On
It's also on the CanBus B loop, did not dig into it.

So possible something is dragging that network down that's bad, but I feel the blower should work possibly. Unless there is a fancy model that's going to be TIPM controlled.

I'm not saying it's a bad TIPM but it sure seems like that's a good starting point along with the CanBus B diagnostic checks.

Which as we found on another post run via you guessed it the TIPM will report back CanBus B faults.

Interesting series of posts this week.

What is a CanBus B??

 

[Yo Hoot]

'06 are having a rough week.

Kinda looks like a TIPM or a CanBus B issue. Been a bunch of these and I looked over a few diagrams and the blower motor stands out.

No Windshield Wipers
Looks like the Multifunction Switch on the column reports to the Cluster. The Cluster via the CanBus B loop to the TIPM which controls the Wipers.

No Turn Signals
Same as the Windshield Wipers, MFS to the Cluster, Cluster to TIPM via CanBus B.

No Radio
CanBus B, did not look too deep into this one. But there are multiple parts of the radio on the network.

No A/C, or Blower
The blower is interesting atleast the manual drawing I looked at, anyone know if there is another model/version.

But there is a Fused IGN run/Start feed via the TIPM to a pretty basic resistor switch for the speed, then to the AC controls there is an actual fused circuit, which you guessed it AC controls report back via CanBus B to the TIPM.

But the blower is basically mechanical on this print. But is fed from the TIPM.

Airbag Light On
It's also on the CanBus B loop, did not dig into it.

So possible something is dragging that network down that's bad, but I feel the blower should work possibly. Unless there is a fancy model that's going to be TIPM controlled.

I'm not saying it's a bad TIPM but it sure seems like that's a good starting point along with the CanBus B diagnostic checks.

Which as we found on another post run via you guessed it the TIPM will report back CanBus B faults.

Interesting series of posts this week.

Can a bad clockspring create havoc in the network?

 

[Timd32]

Can a bad clockspring create havoc in the network?

I know on a newer one yes it's creates all sorts of issues with lights, Wipers and pretty much everything. Had a "17 brand new 25 miles on it freak out, they said was the clockspring. The truck was possessed.

Anything is possible if there is a DC issue going on, for example if the clock spring is causing faults to the Cluster and its pulling down the network.

From what I saw the Multifunction Switch on the column goes to the Cluster and is not on the same circuits as the AC, ABS except for that Comm circuit.

But if the Cluster is faulted by the clock spring shorting out, the truck is not.going to like the Cluster not available.

What is a CanBus B??

To save on wires and to distribute the signals they use modules all over the truck. CanBus is the name of the protocol which these computer communicate to each other.

There are 3 CanBus networks on the truck,

CanBus B (White/Orange Stripe and White Wires)

CanBus C (white/Light Green stripe and white/ light blue stripe wires)

CanBus C diagnostic, (sometimes called D) (white/Light blue stripe and white/ brown stripe wires)

B is the slower and is more fault tolerant.

C is the faster network for PMC/ECM stuff.

C Diagnostic is just that. It's from the OBD2 connector to the TIPM.

There are some other networks (SCI and PCI) as well but that's the main one related to this post.

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CanBus is pretty robust protocol and wiring can be pretty crude and it still works. But if a module or wiring is pulling down the entire network or the Main part like the TIPM it's self goes down or has a bad connection, multiple systems are impacted.

We discovered last night the TIPM for an '06 is the gateway device, while we never figured out the exact network diagram within the programming, everything listed in the OP happens to be on the CanBus B network and is also all tied back to the TIPM.

There should be some sort of diagnostics available with a scan tool.

But checking grounds and power wiring and that kind of stuff is always great starts.

 

[Rowdy Dalton]

Thanks i did a little looking into the "Canbus". It looks like my issue might be a connection problem in the TIPM, or possibly the CanBus. Time to do some cleaning.

 

[Rowdy Dalton]

I replaced the bubbling fuse. But, I also noticed the inside of the fuse box was very very dusty. I used a toothbrush and compressed air to clean it out. It looks like the hinged lid is slightly warped, and isn't getting a good seal. Ti.e to find something to seal it. Any suggestions?? I don't want to seal it permanently shut, on accident.

 

[seafish]

You can fill the groove on bottom of the lid with vaseline and that will make an excellent non permanent seal that also will not damage any electronics as it mates up to the PDC.

 

[Rowdy Dalton]

You can fill the groove on bottom of the lid with vaseline and that will make an excellent non permanent seal that also will not damage any electronics as it mates up to the PDC.

I hear you, but the lid is warped, and Vaseline won't work, unless I use a lot. Then, when things heat up, there would be an ungodly mess.

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[Yo Hoot]

Can you get a new lid? They look to be available.