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I had an dearly G56 in my 05 was a good transmission never gave me any issues aside from the stock Clutch and even that gave me 160,000 miles. At the lower Hp rating the truck never seemed to be lacking.. Or needing more. My 12 was dead only due to the emmissions system but now with the DEF system performance is back big time.
 
I'm fighting myself with buying a G56 truck. All of my Cummins trucks had manual transmission's; my 04.5 NV5600 being the best. I had almost 300k on that transmission before the new owner took it and I only went through two clutches.

I hate to read that the G56 needs a girdle re-enforcement and clutch upgrade to keep up to par for longevity. That's all hear say of course. I realize that some are really mean to their trucks, ie- tuners, drag racing, sled puliin' etc and others use the their trucks as its intended purpose.

Sometimes I think Im paranoid and read too much into these websites
 
I'm fighting myself with buying a G56 truck. All of my Cummins trucks had manual transmission's; my 04.5 NV5600 being the best. I had almost 300k on that transmission before the new owner took it and I only went through two clutches.

I hate to read that the G56 needs a girdle re-enforcement and clutch upgrade to keep up to par for longevity. That's all hear say of course. I realize that some are really mean to their trucks, ie- tuners, drag racing, sled puliin' etc and others use the their trucks as its intended purpose.

Sometimes I think Im paranoid and read too much into these websites

It's called "analysis paralysis".........:-laf Done it myself, too many times.

Sam
 
Well I went through that in 07 when I ordered my C&C, the big decision at the time was the G56 or the Aisin auto. My 04.5 had the NV5600 and is a true HD transmission and is able to handle the tuners and tweakers, so I had a difficult decision to make. Not a lot of info was available on the G56 or the Aisin, and I researched what I could. The lower gear version didn't help, in that it wasn't showing any of the problems that exist in mine and was doing well. So I choose the G56 and I'm still regretting the decision, after spending $4K and still counting on the improvement, and the future cost of converting it to the NV5600. The best improvement I made so far is to install a trans cooler that pumps the oil through a heat exchanger that is used for the automatic transmission and keeps it cool. BTW, that is the key to the G56, by keeping it cool, you eliminate the need for the Girdle that was mentioned. The heat will soften the aluminum case allowing it to stretch. If I was ordering a new truck it would have the Aisin and I wouldn't look back.
 
Aside from upgrading to a stronger SBC clutch and mild irritation with gear rollover noise in parking lots,mine's been great. I'm at 100+ hp and 2000# on my back all the time. I love the precise gates of the G-56 compared to the NV5600 in my friend's. Do wish it had the iron case though.
I contacted Luk years ago to consider an 80 hp + dmf for these things to no avail. I still say there's a huge market for one.
 
This from the website

"G56 SIX-SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION
The class-exclusive available G56 six-speed manual transmission+ (standard with the 6.7L Cummins® Turbo Diesel engine only) still stands as a distinct offering in the Chassis Cab segment. Modified for an increased torque load on the base output diesel engine, it carries a wear-compensating clutch to help keep the pedal and performance feeling new throughout the life of the drivetrain."

Where does it say that its been upgraded? It says "modified" but that could mean almost anything.
 
Go Manual While You Still Can

As a ’14 2500 owner, I’d like it if my transmission was beefed-up, seems unlikely they have two, very similar versions of the G56 transmission?

The one turbo-diesel pickup I purchased with an auto trans was my probably my biggest automotive mistake ever... It was 1995 2500, and the chronically leaking transmission cooling lines and several other problems in the first nine months prompted Chrysler to buy-back the truck. This was after a '93 first-gen with a Getrag 5-speed that hadn't given me problems, but it wasn't old/abused enough yet. Had I ordered a manual in the '95 I would have received the cast iron-cased—heavy-duty but not problem free—NV4500, which was a relatively new and unproven design at the time.

The returned 1995 2500 fiasco lead to a positive a year later, with the ordering of a '96 F-350 with the ZF S5-47, the first year with the lower first gear behind a diesel, a welcome surprise for starting loads and off-highway crawling when it arrived. The ZF S5 was/is an aluminum-cased gearbox, and also known to run hot... so much so that the 6-speeds in later trucks included a cooler. I towed fairly heavy, mostly in overdrive because with 4.10:1 gears I needed it for reasonable rpm, including charging up hills, gross-combined-weight of about 16k. I had a temp gauge on the ZF and would see high temps 220-240+ depending on the load and conditions.

Early on I replaced the often burnt/oxidized smelling ATF oil with proper manual transmission oil, MTL from Red Line, which I also ran in the transfer-case. The transmission shifted so much better with good oil that allowed the synchronizers to work. That ZF only held about 3.5 quarts so I changed it at 10k intervals and had zero problems with the trans, just the dual mass flywheel (replaced with single-mass) around 90,000 miles. The truck had 133k on it when sold to a friend.

Now I'm the owner of a '14 Tradesman with a G56, and I just recently changed the gearbox oil from the ATF junk to Red Line MT-90. I'm looking forward to many, mostly trouble-free miles, confident the proper oil will help, and am prepared to change the clutch/flywheel after many thousands of miles if/when needed or desirable. The G56/Cummins combo is nice to drive, the shape and position of the stick is better in this 2500 than in the F-350.

Regarding power... In May I was only casually thinking about buying a new truck (but bought one in June) and at an event was talking with the owner of a Jeep modifying business that hauls a few jeeps on one trailer to gatherings like the Easter Jeep Safari (heavy!) with G56 trucks. He is a manual transmission fan, has a few G56 Cummins trucks and obviously uses them hard. His comment about the lower power rating was that "they don't drive like it". I'm still impressed with the amount of torque and HP my low-powered, 3.42:1-geared truck (I thought the gears would be too tall) offers if/when I want to stomp-on-it. There seems to be less toque-management. I don't baby it, when I want all-of-it, I'll floor-it, and I'm still impressed with how this stock G56 moves.
 
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I ran sticks from 1996-2013 in my Turbo Diesels. The great Aisin AS69RC and the issues with the G56 caused me to go to automatic. If the NV5600 were still offered, I might well have stayed with a stick.
 
Just make sure you have ATF+4 in there in the event of a warranty issue.

Yeah, I'm okay with gambling... I'd rather have the best fluid in the gearbox for the long haul from the beginning, as I want my trans to last much longer than any factory warranty. For those that care more about warranties than I do, Red Line's MTL is red (and MT-90) and I'd be surprised if anyone would say or even think it was not ATF unless they analyzed it. Neither MTL or MT-90 appear or feel particularly thick, especially the slightly lighter MTL.
 
The difference between the manual/auto HP/Torque RATINGS are not as much as you think. You only get the rated HP/torque when you in 4th or higher gears in the auto, and even then not until certain parameters are met, and, it can come on slowly to protect the drivetrain. The computer has full control of both the transmission and the engine there is more torque management than the manuals. It really is just a way for marketing to post up bigger numbers, they are not real world, usable numbers.
I also read that because the auto trans use up more HP to operate than the manuals the autos can be rated higher than the manuals, but same HP to the ground.
 
It's been argued about, my opinion is no, but the complexity of the newer computers can detect certain parameters and manage the Torque but it sure doesn't feel like that. When my G56 fails it will be replaced with a harder shifting more dependable NV5600.
 
So I want the most hp and tq from the factory with the G56.

So reading these posts the auto with the torque management only allows full torque at the right time under perfect conditions?

The G56 has full torque control with the go pedal?

Are there any dyno runs sheets or specs that show when the torque kicks in?

Thank you Casey
 
Besides the torque mgmt, I'm guessing the EB works better with the G56 as well. I've been reading the the EB doesn't work under 20 mph on the auto transmission. That would irritate me as I was always using the EB on my 04.5 at slow speeds.
 
I also caught the statement of the updated G56, maybe they changed the fluid from the crappy ATF+, to a better fluid most change to, even before the warranty is over. I've never understood the decision to go with ATF in a manual transmission. Anyone running strait Mobiltrans SHC 50 in their G56?

http://www.truturf.com/pdf/technical/oil_momobiltrans_shc_50.pdf

I don't know when the possible upgrade of the G56 might have occurred (2013?), but when I dumped the oil from my G56 on my 2014 2500 about a week ago it sure looked and smelled like ATF. If the owner's/service manuals still list ATF as the fluid, bet there has not been a fluid change for the better. :(

Using the link you provided that SHC 50 is a slightly thicker '90' than the Red Line MT-90 I just put in my transmission.
 
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