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Don't be afraid to shop out of state. Here in Nevada they are practically giving away 2010 trucks since we have the worst economy in the nation right now.

I can think of worse ways to spend a weekend than a flight to Reno or Vegas then driving home in a brand new rig. The empty trip home would give you ample time to get the first oil change mileage out of the way.
 
Todays gas engines aren't your old ones of the 90's.



Man, does that make me feel OLD or what?!! :{



The 90's gas engines are "new fangled voodoo" to me... If it doesn't have a carburetor and distributor, I don't want NUTHIN to do with it! :confused:
 
Me too, when distributors with points went away, I was lost for years:)



It wasn't that long ago, gassers did everything. My guess is, that the gassers of today will get the job done better then the old days.



Nick
 
The gasoline powered engines mentioned in this thread require high rpm in order to make any usable torque as correctly stated. This also means constant downshifting and upshifting of their weak automatic transmissions and early failure.

But high rpm to make torque is not an inherent characteristic of a gasoline engine, it is an inherent characteristic of a V8 engine.

Inline six or eight cylinder engines powered by gasoline also make their max torque down low in the rpm band. The old in line six cylinders engines made by Chevrolet from the '30s into the late '80s made most of their torque down low. Likewise the old 300 ci inline six cyliner gas engine installed in pickups and vans by Furd into the '90s. The Furd 300 six was a strong and durable engine.
 
I have started to look at the chevy 6. 0 after reading a recent test by a recent mag. the 6. 0 out towed the ford 6. 2 and it is a proven motor. But i think I may have made so real progress on the diesl front and if a dealer had a quad cab 3500 srw 2wd with power options in stock local I'd have the keys tomarrow.



I wouldn't give a nickel for a truckload of those chevy 6. 0's. The last gas engine I would ever buy. I've had the "pleasure" of having to use one on our farm for the last few years. On a good day, empty hwy driving, it might get 9 or 10 mpg. Towing anything bigger than a lawn mower, 5. But I guess if listening to the engine roar at 5,000 rpm while trying to maintain 60 mph and stopping for gas every 100 miles sounds like fun, than have at it.
 
The 6. 2L in my Yukon Denali pulls my 14' dump trailer at about 8k just fine. It will handle a 6% grade with no problem, but of course the motor is spinning 4000+ when climbing. But, just because a gas engine is spinning faster doesn't mean it's hurting it.



Loaded it will get 10-11mpg (which isn't that much different than a new diesel) Empty it will get 20-21mpg which is better than a new diesel.



Economy wise, my Yukon is quite a bit better than my diesels, since it doesn't sound like you're towing that often or that heavy, a 6. 2L GM gasser probably isn't that bad of a choice. If you were towing more weight, more often, I'd say a diesel is the only way to go. Naturally a diesel will last longer overall, but I run my Yukon's to 95 - 100k before selling them and have never had a problem.



If I could be sure a 6. 2/6speed auto would get 20-21 mpg empty, that would be my next truck... ... ... ... loaded mpg is not as important now that I tow our fifth wheel only 5 to 7 hundred miles a year.
 
Mine is in a Yukon Denali XL hand calculated on a 600 mile trip 65-70mph was 21. 5 mpg. My Dic checks out within . 5 mpg. Once during a 100 mile stretch of 2 lane @ 55mph it was showing 25 mpg. Rpm was about 1300. I've never driven it at 55 for a whole tank to hand calc but I'm certain it would be 23-25 mpg. I've hand calced a few long trips that were over 20 mpg.

Never owned a pickup with that motor so I can't say if it would be similar. My 03 Yukon Denali had the 6. 0, it would get 18-19 on long trips and 15 back and forth over the hill to work. I know the Denali has a higher hp version of the motor, maybe that's the difference.
 
Here's my .02

I'm going to comment on several of the things that have been mentioned here. I found this thread by doing a search for comments on the Ford 3. 5L Ecoboost engine. I, too, saw the hype on the ford site, and was impressed. I'm not one to just jump up and go buy one today, I've got to get more research and objectionable thoughts/facts on the subject. The Ford site could be nothing more than hype and propaganda. Maybe next year or the year after I'll own one. For the first time in 13 years I went and looked at a Ford truck, an F-150, not a Superduty. I was looking for a drive-around truck because I can't drive my big dually everyday. Too big and bad on fuel. I miss my '01. I looked at a 2010 F-150 Lariat loaded with everything I want and a 5. 4L /6-speed auto. Nice truck, but the dealer wasn't as excited as I thought he would of offloading their leftover '10's.



Gas vs diesel. When I bought my first diesel in 1999, diesel was a buck o-nine a gall-e-on. The argument was diesels were more fuel efficient, had more power (mostly torque, and an inline 6 has that power where you need it) could pull more, would last longer than a gas motor, and diesel was cheaper than gas. Lots of things have changed since then. There has been a significant shift. Diesel costs more than premium, even though it costs WAY, WAY less to get diesel to you favorite pump station than gasoline. But, we've let the oil companies do what they want, and we're paying for it.



Diesels don't get better mileage anymore, or at least not by much. When towing, they get a little better than a gas burner pulling the same load. So that's not a huge advantage anymore. When I got mine, it was my daily driver and it got better mileage than a gas burner. I could get a smaller vehicle, but I couldn't afford two vehicles. So I needed one to do it all, pull the fiver, drive to work, haul the wife and kids, go get lumber, etc. If I got a gas burner, it would be a small block for mileage, OR a big block for towing. Well, the diesel did both. It came with a bigger price tag up front, but there were other benefits, and that was pulling power and longevity. If you pull 15,000 lbs, and do it often, a gas motor will wear out sooner than a diesel.



Power, the new gassers will pull a trailer, but what has been said is true, the RPMs will be up there, and it's not going to pull HEAVY trailers very well. The diesel is still the champ, but if you don't have a need to pull more than 7k, you don't NEED a diesel.



Longevity. Yes, gassers will last more than 100k, but not if worked hard. Those of you that say you pulled a trailer, and you got over 100k on your engine, you haven't pulled a HEAVY trailer, very much, very far. A small percentage of the 100k was actually pulling a trailer, otherwise you'd have a motor without much power anymore and/or blowing smoke. It just won't do as much as a diesel for as long.



Mileage in the hills vs in the mountains. When I drive my wife's Magnum around FL and TX I get 22 mpg on the road. It's the R/T with the 5. 7 Hemi. When I go to Utah, I get 22 until I get to the mountains of Utah. That mileage goes up to 26+ mpg, that's no joke, and hand calculated all the way. My diesel, same thing. My '04 would get 12-13 on the way there, until I fill up in Gallup NM and drive the rest of the way to Provo, UT, I'll get 14-15 towing or hauling the truck camper. Yes you're using more fuel to climb the mountain (duh) but you're making fuel on the down-side. And driving around in UT as opposed to in TX or FL, my city mileage is also higher. Less power, but less air and the computer is mixing the fuel/air, and it's burning less fuel.



As far as small block vs big-block, a 4. 8L vs 6. 2 L... the 4. 8 liter works harder to pull a 5k load, and a 6. 2L isn't working that hard, and after a certain point, it'll get better mileage than the 4. 8L that's working it's tail off. Even empty mileage isn't that great with either Chiv's or Dodge's 4. 7 or 4. 8 Liter engines.



I used to drive a 10-wheel dump truck, empty weight was over 20k, and the big engine would get 15 mpg. Compare that to my Dodge, pulling 20K lbs with a 5. 9L or 6. 7L engine, and I get 10-12. BFCU's are better with the big motor, and it will get better mileage. Same thing with a Cummins C motor vs our B motor, BFCU numbers are better with the C than the B motor.



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The Furd 300 six was a strong and durable engine. [/QUOTE]



Uncle Harvey, my first truck was a 69 Furd with a 300 six. The intake/exhaust were mated together so that in even warm weather exhaust manifold heat percolated/vapor locked the carb. Lets don't even talk about hot humid weather! It came with a shorty tailpipe that ended up under the bed and this rotted the bed off in just a few years. I hav'nt been interested in a thing Furd has had to say since! Mark
 
If I was looking for a light duty truck and had to tow 8 or 9000 pounds occasionally, I would take one for a test spin. I had to tow 11,000 pounds cross country, I'd stick with a diesel.
 
If I was looking for a light duty truck and had to tow 8 or 9000 pounds occasionally, I would take one for a test spin. I had to tow 11,000 pounds cross country, I'd stick with a diesel.



I replace my 1/2 tons approximately every 5 years. It should have a real world track record by the time my '10 Ram 1500 is set to go. If they turn out to be close to what they are trying to make it out to be, I may have to consider one. Unless, someone finally stuffs a decent diesel in a 1/2 ton by then.
 
Man, does that make me feel OLD or what?!! :{



The 90's gas engines are "new fangled voodoo" to me... If it doesn't have a carburetor and distributor, I don't want NUTHIN to do with it! :confused:



I agree 100%!! The last vehicle I owned with a gas motor was an 84 S-10 with a 2. 8L that couldn't get out of it's own way :-laf



That said and back on subject: My company truck went from an F-250 6. 0L to a 2011 F-250 gasser. I do like the new truck because it is better suited for our actual needs as a production facility operator.



The fuel mileage was awesome with the diesel, but maintenance costs were VERY high (typical 6. 0L Ford trouble)... The gasser so far has had ZERO problems and slightly smaller "normal" maintenance cost. ie: oil change/air filter



I am amazed on how bad the mileage is with these new gas trucks under the EXACT same mileage and load conditions compared to the diesels :eek:



Typical conditions (in my line of work) are all dirt roads, few hills, 100 miles per shift at low speeds (35-40mph), and a bed full of tools.



Diesel= fillup from 1/4 tank every 2-3 days

Gasser= fillup from 1/2 tank EVERY day



Conclusion: A well maintained diesel will save you at the pump even with a higher price in these conditions and even more while towing.



I already know that comparing a 6. 0L to a Cummins is like comparing apples to dump trucks, but the gas to diesel comparison usually results in diesel being a FAR better choice in the long run!!
 
I second Mikey above. When you add in the longevity and resale value of a diesel the supposed advantages of gas engine shrink if not completely disappear.

I see guys comparing the fuel economy of a V8 to a diesel and proving to themselves that the diesel is not worth the added price. I disagree.

Perhaps a gasoline-powered truck that is used only for transportation under ideal steady highway speed driving can achieve excellent mileage but when one is put to work I believe the advantage goes away.

Often when some compare gas to diesel they are using wishful thinking numbers for the gas engine, the manufacturer's claimed numbers, and worst case real world numbers for the diesel. The so-called new gas engines with fuel injection and computer controlled ignitions are more fuel efficient than the old carbureted engines but are not all that efficient.
 
I know that the "fibometer" AKA "lie o' meter" will show outstanding mileage after a reset and controlled conditions like running on the flat after reaching speed with trailer in tow, but I observed the following:





Not by any means accurate, but the same stretch of road at 40 mph with my personal truck (reset at the EXACT same spot WITH CRUISE CONTROL in 6th gear in BOTH vehicles) yielded 38mpg! And the gas powered company truck yielded 14mpg while traveling from cattle guard to cattle guard (about 6 miles)
 
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