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"Buzz Reader Joseph M. received an interesting package the other day. The following is his report: " I got a very interesting piece of mail from our good friends at America's worst auto maker, GM. The large envelope said on the outside in large black letters " THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BETTER TIME TO GET OUT OF DODGE". I opened it only to find a brochure from GMC on the worst truck made in America. I have been a loyal Dodge fan for some years and this mailing really ****** me off for lack of a better phrase. With all the perceived problems in the media about DC, this mailing is pure mud slinging from the GM camp. "

GM is also running TV commercials bashing the Dodge Ram. Nick C. reports that "I was just watching TV and a GM commercial came on, saying so Dodge is different, but GM has 40 more horse power so why not trade different for better. " While it's a great example of kicking a competitor when their down, It's also an indicator of just how far Dodge Truck has come since the Ram was introduced in Model year 1994. Back then Dodge didn't even show up on the radar of dominant truck builders Ford and GM. The fact that both competitors actively compare their trucks to Dodge shows that the big truck has taken a serious chunk of the market.

It's also ironic that GM's almost new full-size truck has just finally surpassed the Ram in any arena (HP) seven years after the Ram hit the market. They've done such a thorough job of imitating the Ram's design that their truck is almost identical from the rear (especially the cab). There's plenty of precedent to this, their last truck (which showed up some time in the late 80's) incorporated many of the innovations pioneered almost twenty years earlier when Dodge introduced their last D series truck in 1971, most notably the curved doors that allowed for a wider cab.

The Ram is still the best looking truck on the road, and it continues to sell well even in its last year of production. It's definitely the most influential truck of the last decade. As far as GM goes . . . comparing their new truck to a 7-year-old vehicle is pretty pathetic. They might as well enjoy it while they can, Dodge is raising the bar again in September with the launch of the all new Ram. "
I guess GM can't sell trucks on the merits of the truck they "produce"

hers the link:http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b032901.htm
 
Just like Honda copying H-D. No imagination.
"Imitation is the sincercest form of flattery". 'Nuff said.

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Ed Anderson
99 3500,QC,Auto,4. 10,Everthing 'cept leather,stock until warranty runs out.
'76 H-D FLH, '98 FLHTCUI
 
'cept Honda didn't just imitate - they improved upon... .

Sorry, I couldn't resist #ad
Not a H-D fan myself but they do build a pretty good bike when used for it's intended purpose.

Brian
 
what a load of crap just got the same letter in the mail. didnt like it either. brian nothing better than a harley just try to resell your honda.

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Y2K 2500 4x4 ext. cab 8'bed nerf bars,Linex,xtang cover bug shield, husky liners,every option but leather and cab lights remote starter auto 3. 54 gears
98 grand caravan (for wife) 93 harley davidson fatboy
 
Oh man... ... ... . Let's not go there! #ad

Hey Shovelhead, how many of them H***a bikes did they make back in the 20's,30's,40's,& 50's ?????? Could you tell us Brian? #ad
#ad


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Dennis D. Tway
"RATTLIN" *1999 2500 SPORT QUAD CAB* "RAM"
IntenseBlue/SB/Cummins/4x2/auto/3. 54AS/4whlABS/Camper&TowPkg/
Keyless/Leather/TravelConGrp/SecuritySys/6spkrCD*Cass/Strngwhlcntrls/
WestinTubeSteps/SportMastersSoftTonneau/15k RBW 5th-WheelHitch/26'Nomad 5er (looking for a bigger one) and a way to take my HARLEY too!
 
Just give GM a little more time. Once the guys start driving them, word will be out as to the quality of workmanship, the engine and the reliablility. Personally, I'll stick with my Dodge and the Cummins thank you very much! Dave
 
Does anyone know what H-D's and coonhounds have in common? TICK TICK TICK. Times up. Answer..... They both like to ride in back of pickup trucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
 
okay, okay - I know I started it... .

Granted H-D has been around forever & a day & for that they do deserve some respect. Unfortunately, they haven't moved beyond the 20's with engine technology #ad


I lean more towards the sport touring (& dirt bikes - '99WR400. Can't wait till Cannondale gets sorted out) area & H-D just really doesn't do anything for me. Buell does some interesting things & I'd love the chance to ride one, but I kinda doubt I'd buy one. I'd really like to get my hands on one of the BMWs - man, I like that R1100s.

As far as resale of a Honda? It won't be worth anthing since it will have been ridden into the ground instead of polished into oblivion #ad
High resale - RUBS is the answer. Supply & the unnatural demand to think/look like a biker #ad


I really don't think one can argue that a H-D is better engineered or better built than a Honda. H-D has an emotional draw from some folks - I'm not one of them. To each, his own.

RattlinRam - take a look at Patio Haulers by KIT Mfg. We're looking at one to haul the dirtbikes. Walter Crovo seems to be pretty impressed with his Tahoe Toy Box trailer. I like the Patio Hauler style w/garage to keep the muddy bikes & gear out of the living area.

Brian

[This message has been edited by Brian Meadows (edited 03-29-2001). ]
 
WAIT A MINUTE GUYS!!!! This is great! Don't get mad, get glad. You are looking for the negative. DC HAS TO DO SOMETHING TO STAY IN THE MARKET PLACE AND RETAIN THEIR MARKET SHARE. If their loyal customers start getting this kind of mail, this might be the thing they need to wake them up. You and I know that the Dmax is not going to stay together... History always repeats itself. Has GM ever produced a good pick up engine? He who laughs last laughs best! Wait until those things start coming apart like a dollar suit case. In the meantime, show 'em a little tail light every chance you get. Keep thinkin' about that 300ISB. Here Dmax, Here Dmax, I'm not going to hurt you... ... ... ... . much. Look at the dyno #s of the Dmax on Edge Products web site. We have got nothing to worry about.

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2001 2500 QC, ETH/DEE,4:10s, LSD, EZ with elbow(26. 5PSI)Stage 1 injectors from Carl, Boost/Pyro Guages, 4" Turbo back, BD Brake,Mag-Hytec Cover, Kleen Wheels, Energy Release, 70 gal. fuel, 20K Reese. 31,000 Miles on 03/01/01(Auto/Truck/RV Dealer)
 
Hey Brian,
Don't get me wrong, I'm not the kind of guy who won't ride with anyone if they aren't ridin' H-D. Just the other H company made their name building small bikes, and fast bikes until they decided to eat off of H-d's plate. the only reason H motors are different from H-D's is the corporate legal beagles that H-d has on staff beat the H's over the patent infringments. BTW been on scoots since the 60's and yes I've ridden just about everything out there at one time or another. RUBbies just keep my H-D stock from slippin' too much in today's market.
 
Shovelhead - I'm sitting here laughing about the stock price comment. I'm not sure what patent infringements you're talking about - the only one I've really heard about is the 'sound' patent. Do they actually have a patent on the sound? Don't patents expire after 17 years? I wouldn't think it would be an issue at this point.

Seriously, the Japanese cruiser market has imitated H-D just like Ford & GM have imitated Dodge with their new trucks. I really don't see how H-D claims special protection (I use the term very loosely) when if it was an American MC company we'd all be saying it's just competition & manufactures will build whatever they can sell - be it a cruiser, a sportbike, a truck or what have you.

I really am kidding about the H-D being a dinosaur - they will keep building bikes like they do as long as people are willing to buy them. I am fairly impressed with the improvements that I've seen in the last few years. From what little I know about H-D it appears that they have taken customer inputs to heart and incorporated the changes w/o losing the msytical H-D appeal.

Brian
 
Hay Guys!

Got mine today. My wife and I pull up in her '96 Ram with the mail. As we're going in the house, she asks: " what doe that "See why there's never been a better time to get out of Dodge. ""

Well, I got news for them: Dodge is still the best looking, pulling and sounding truck made. Period!

I think it's great advertisment for us. Afterall, the biggest compliment a competitor can do is list your name in their advertising. #ad


Keep on truck'n Rammers! #ad

Wiredawg

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2000 4X4 SLT QC 8' bed; 6 spd, 3. 54 ; BD exhaust brake and 4" exhaust syst; TST PM2; Airlift Super Duty rear air bags; RS 9000 shocks; pyro/boost gauges in 2 gauge a-pillar mount; back preasure gauge mounted under dash; KN air filter; Brown's Welding brush/grill guard, rear bumper & headache rack; nerf bars and aluminum roll top rear cover, Warn front receiver and Hadley air horns, 20K Reese hitch,Mag-Hytec dif cover,Psycotty Air.
 
I think we all feel we got the best truck on the market, and hey I know I did. H-D vrs Honda and the others is a entertaining at least. You know what they say about opinions. If you don't like chicken stay out of Kentucky Fried. I did like the story in the TDR about the 3 trucks. Happiest towing, least diff in loss of power with load vrs. no load. It is just what the Dr. ordered.

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2001 2500 tow, camper, SWB, ETH/DEE, 3. 54 Bright white,4 wheel discs.
 
'cept Honda didn't just imitate - they improved upon... .

Lets keep this simple. Two guys pull up on their cycles. One on a Honda, one on a HD. Who do you think the chick is going to take off with?

Course' then I am biased. My ride is truly American (however it has four legs).
 
Brian,
One of the original patent fights was over the single crankpin design of the engine. "H" bought a H-D, disassembled it and attempted to "build" one of their own.
It's not just a motorcycle, it's a 700lb gas-powered vibrator!

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Ed Anderson
99 3500,QC,Auto,4. 10,Everthing 'cept leather,stock until warranty runs out.
'76 H-D FLH, '98 FLHTCUI
 
Don't know what all the sniveling is about. I was flattered by the genital motors add. They pointed out that the 5. 2 has more torque at a lower rpm. This should translate to better towing mpg and quieter towing. Of course the standard transmission Dodge will have a lower tow rating than the automatic Chevy. We all know that without them "enlightening" us. $1k off of a new truck that's about $5k overpriced? I should thank them for re-assuring me why our family is Mopar happy!
Harley Davidson versus Honda? When will my '92 FatBoy start giving me trouble? Batteries and brakes are all it's had the tools out for. That and the ol' lady says it's purrrfect at 65mph! I like the new Valkrie but I don't see how it could be any better than a Harley. It definately won't hold it's value like a Harley. I don't care where it gets it's value from. I'd rather ride a legend than an embarrassment any day.

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98 2500 CC SB 4X2 12v 5spd 4. 10, -silencer, AFC+20, Edelbrock IAS, VDO gauges, Reese 15k Classic
97 Dodge Stratus 150HP
92 Harley Fatboy, Dynojet fuel management, Supertrapp 2-1
00 Jayco 25' 5th wheel, single slide
 
I couldn't help myself. A Valkyrie an embarrasment? Value is in the eye of the beholder. This whole concept that an antiquated inferior built bike is worth more is one of the mysteries of the world. Rice burners rule! Oh yeah, and Dodge--with the Cummins in it.

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Late '01 2500 2WD, QC, LB, HO 6 Sp. , SLT/Sport, 3. 55 Open Diff, Mods: PowerEdge EZ w/elbow. Jardine 4 inch exhaust. Banks (DynaFact) Boost and EGT gauges. ATS exhaust manifold with Jet Hot 2000. Amsoil dual bypass filter. Oh yeah, and cup smoothie.
ST1100ABS, GSX1100G, and maybe soon CBR1100XX.
 
I got the GM packet yesterday. I really didn't know what it was until I opened it. LOL! I took it to work and looked through it. I told the gal I work with, "If they only knew how much I dislike GM products, they'd have saved their stamp money. " However, you do have to admire the fact that they're courting known Dodge owners when so many of the guys with newer Rams experience such crappy service from their dealerships. DC better wake up. Not all Dodge owners are as loyal as the folks around here.

Daniel
 
I caught the above commercial on the tube today-get this, followed by an ad for the Ram, touting the 5. 9L 245hp HO Cummins...
Bottom line for me is, I'd follow that engine to any American mfg. except Genital Motors as they would find some way to ruin it... well it's that and the car suspension on a truck.
 
Originally posted by QRTRHRS:
Two guys pull up on their cycles. One on a Honda, one on a HD. Who do you think the chick is going to take off with?

Definitely the hog.

H-D is world renowned. German bike riders would die for a H-D, they cannot afford it.

Sure a crotch rocket will go almost 200 mph, but who really does that. I really do not want to die.

Besides, a H-D you can enjoy the bike, the ride and the scenery. If I were going 120 mph on a Honda I would not enjoy a thing but the excitement. When I think about the resale value on ALL the bikes but a H-D it makes me shudder...

Like the resale of a gasser...



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2001. 5 QC 2500 White Sport 4x4 LWB ETC 5-Speed Anti-Spin 3. 54 Trailer Tow 241HD SLT+ Tan Leather(Mad Cow Disease) LT265/75R16E
 
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