Going to Bio ... Where to start

[Bernie]

I recently purchased a 1996 12V. I have B85 locally available at the bump, and B100 available near by as well. My plan is to convert my 1996 to run on the B100, and run it for a while to make sure it is reliable.



Then, I plan on adding a second tank in the bed for WVO.



My question is, where to start? I called Genos looking for the fuel line, and their line is rated to B20. I am looking for what line, what size, how many feet, and what else do I need to change.



Suggestions?

 

[Bernie]

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

 

[Wayne M.]

I don't know too much about 85 and 100, but At my job we went to 20 from 5 (I am involved in a muni fleet, and we pump our own fuel) and the filter plugging was worse than when we went ULSD and 5. Now the regenerations smell more like food cooking.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Wayne whats the max Bio on a re-gen motor? B5, B20, I didn't think that they could take very much at all.

 

[Wayne M.]

I'm really not sure. I think most new pick ups are B20. I know the Ford SD is- they made it part of their door badge. The nutjob NYC lawmakers mandated it and so far what we have- from Mack mechanical E7's to old cummins 12v B's to CAT 3116's to the 2010 Mack MP7 SCR, we really haven't had any engine/ injector problems. Only filter plugging. We'll see what happens when the temp drops... ...

 

[BIGNASTY]

During the warm months up here I run home made B100 in my Dodge as does my BIL, Nephew, Son and my Chev Cummins conversion and have yet to have a problem, My Pard with a Cat 3406 B has been adding more and more to his tanks mainly to just wean it on the BIO so he don't plug the filters all at once. he's now half and half on 2, 150 gal tanks and really not had any problems other than some more frequent filter changes, and that was to be expected.

Wayne the part to all this crap the bug's me is the Timing of the Re-gen stuff on trucks, Just about the time that I was checking into the home made BIO is about the same time that a bunch of people were finding out that HEY THIS STUFF WORKS!!!!!!!! Whammmm the Government came in and said make ULSD and then add some exhaust treatment so they cant run anything but or close to it, Bet the Major oil companies were happy about that along with the political morons that they support! AS FOR ME IT WORKS AND IM DAMN GLAD THAT I DONT HAVE AN AFTER BURNER ON MY TAIL PIPE.

 

[fox]

Do you know WVO is NOT bio? Take the WVO and convert it to fuel with Transesterfication process and filter it very well as the last stage.

 

[Bernie]

Yes. WVO is something I will look at in the future. Right now I want to move to B85 to B100 as it is locally available. I understand for the first few tanks I will have filter issues, as the high bio content cleans out sludge in my system. My specific questions are:

-Fuel line, what can I use, what sizes do I need, and where can I buy it
-Anything special need to be done to the tank
-Any other items in the fuel delivery system that I will need to change to deal with B85?

 

[EDankievitch]

I ran B100 for a few years in my 05 never had any issues with fuel lines or filters plugging up after the 2nd load of 300 gal that I burned up. B100 does a real nice job cleaning everything out. I found out the hard way to make sure that you have the fuel blended to at least B40 for when the temp's drop below 40 degrees F. That B100 will lock right up in a few short hours when the cold winds start blowing. I would stick with a B20 blend for year round use. I have a good supplier here on Long Island Metro fuels They just opened a new processing plant in Calverton for making BioDiesel. My 2012 and now my 2013 really seem to run better and give better Mpg's on the B20 blend rather than 100% diesel. I know what all the tests say that Biodiesel has less BTU's in it but I have hand calculated and kept log's for my last 3 trucks and have always found to get better Mpg's on a Bio blend. As for fuel lines I would give Morland Hose in Oakdale (or is it Sayville), Ny a call they can hook you up with Bio resistant hoses.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Do you know WVO is NOT bio? Take the WVO and convert it to fuel with Transesterfication process and filter it very well as the last stage.

Just to let you know that in Calif the BIO that they mix with Petro Diesel is WVO and new unused oil that is brought to the fuel racks in trucks, load after load of it everyday. I believe but im not sure but they use animal fats in their process for commercial use.



We use 100% canola oil (used) and then run it thru progressively better filters, then use that to make our HOME BREW BIO DIESEL.



http://thebiodieselstore.com/biodiesel-processors

http://thebiodieselstore.com/biodiesel-processors/80-gal-freedomfueler



Our ONLY problem that we have had with this system is the size of it, we should have gone to a bigger system because we cant make enough to provide what the entire family can use.





IF IT AINT BIO DIESEL THEN WHAT IS YOUR BIO DIESEL MADE FROM?



What is Biodiesel?

Through a process called transesterication, vegetable oil is refined with an alcohol in the presence of a catalyst to produce a fuel called biodiesel. Biodiesel is cleaner burning, nontoxic, and safer to use than petroleum-based diesel. Biodiesel meets the criteria set forth by the department of energy and is a registered alternative fuel with the EPA.



The question about what fuel lines to use, when my Lift pump took a dump on me and the factory fix was the in-tank pump is when I really went to bio, I installed an AD 100 Lift pump and ALL NEW SOFT LINE that was Bio compatible. I have had very little problems with the filters plugging even when I have ran Dino Diesel all winter and then go to the BIO in the warmer months, at that time I run a tank of B100 ( my tanks are 100 gal normal tank and the AUX tank) and watch the pressure gauge. When and IF it starts to rise that's when I change my filters and run the B100 for the rest of the warm months, then when winter comes and I go back to Dino Diesel I watch the pressure gauge and if need be I would change them again but it never seems to change when the change is from BIO to DINO only from DINO to BIO, I would guess that in the time I run the Dino Diesel the crap comes back to some extent and the change from Dino to Bio cleans the system again.



BIG

 

[Bernie]

The question about what fuel lines to use, when my Lift pump took a dump on me and the factory fix was the in-tank pump is when I really went to bio, I installed an AD 100 Lift pump and ALL NEW SOFT LINE that was Bio compatible.

Where is you get that line? What sizes and how many feet did it take?

 

[crabman]

Just replace the short rubber fuel lines that connect the sections of the steel fuel lines that run from the tank to the engine. Vitron hose which is a trade mark name or fluoroelastomer is the generic name. http://stores.ebay.com/DudaDiesel-Alternative-Energy/Viton-Hose-/_i.html?_fsub=1022224017&_sid=97361327&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 or just do a search. The prices per foot are not cheap and varies from seller to seller, so it pays to shop around.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Where is you get that line? What sizes and how many feet did it take?

I got mine from a supplier that the company I use to work for got their hose from, mine is some kind of BIO Compatible inside with a stainless steel braid around that, don't know that I would go that route again, I did it when we lived in Calif. and when we moved to MT the water gets on the line and then when it driven the line looks like on big chunk of ice, I have taken a garden hose and slit it end to end and wrapped the SS line to protect it from freezing. It was some pretty expensive stuff but I wont EVER have to replace it is what the dealer said, For EVER is a very long time, we will see how long it last's so far so good going on 8 years. , Lengths wise was just a measurement from the fuel pump to the other places that it was routed and I added 3 ft more it worked out pretty good, I cant remember the exact length. Size wise was just the hose that came with the AD100 took a chunk in and he gave me that size and I had to cut it and put on the ends,

 

[ZBrooks]

From what I could quickly find, you'll need 5/16" hose for the return line and 3/8" hose for the feed line. Get Viton fuel hose and you'll be good to go. Get a couple spare fuel filters, as well, and be ready to change them whenever, wherever.

 

[jpogue]

I ran my homemade bio in my 96 for 2 years. The restaurant I got my oil from went out of business at about the same time the bigger players started paying for the used oil. It was okay when I got the oil for free but I'm not going to pay for it. Still got all my equipment maybe someday I'll find another supplier. And I never changed any of my fuel lines but I do change my fuel filter yearly

 

[jpogue]

I ran it with B100 when it was warm enough but most of the time I ran B50