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After supper I was out walking my dogs up the county caliche road that runs alongside my place, our usual ritual. I heard a weak blowout sound in the distance and looked up to see a pickup, fifthwheel, and trailered boat slowing and pulling off the highway a little west of my farmhouse.

After I got the dogs settled in inside my fence I walked down the highway to see if the people were stranded and needed help. (I thought maybe it was another dead Furd Sick. Ohh) As I approached I could see the owner changing the left rear wheel of his fifthwheel. He was putting the spare tire off a GM-2500 on as he did not have a second spare.

He had lost a tread and blown a tire and suffered major damage to the trailer slideout, fenderwell, etc. A five foot length of the bottom 16" section of the slide out room skirt was ripped off, the inner fender was torn off and hanging under the trailer, a tank was busted, apparently the fresh water tank, because the pavement was wet under the trailer, and the end of the pvc pipe for the black and gray water drain system was broken off and missing.

The trailer was a large 2006 Alfa "See Ya" fifthwheel with a GVWR of 16,200# equipped with GY G-614 LRG tires, original to the trailer. The owner told me he had blown one on the curb side about 100 miles east a little eariier today without damage but this one did major damage.

The owner was aware of the damage GY Marathons in 15" sizes do, he had experienced that with a previous trailer. He was not aware that GY G-614s also blow out or sling their treads. I guess he was also unaware that an RV tire over five years of age is simply a bomb waiting to explode and damage a nice trailer.

The owner probably has comprehensive insurance on his trailer and his trailer will probably be repaired but it is not going to be real simple. The Alfa trailer plant went out of business and shut down in 2007 so unique Alfa parts are no longer available.
 
Harvey, I have a friend in Carson City that works in a large body shop that does a lot of RV's & he said that they do not have to hard of a time finding parts for RV's that the company went out of business. When I see him at bible study Wed night I am going to ask him what they do to get parts. I know that they make a lot of the fiberglass parts.
 
Yep, I had 2 2004-vintage G614s fail within 3 months of each other at 3 years of age. Goodyear replaced the 1st, but after the 2nd failure they replaced the other 3. That 2nd failure cost them an additional $2500 in repairs to the RV! :eek:



The replacement G614s were supposedly of improved design, and I'll admit that they ran without incident from 2007 to 2010, but I chickened out last summer when faced with a trip from the Houston area to the Grand Canyon in July and replaced them with the 17. 5" Michelin XTAs.



Rusty
 
Jack,

I'd like to record the name and contact info of that shop when you have it.

It would be good information to have even though I don't know the farmer who suffered the damage as he passed my place yesteray and won't be able to share it with him.

Many of the RV manufacturers who went out of business and closed down forever in 2007 built some of the finest quality RVs we've ever seen. Names like Travel Supreme, Teton, and Alfa were extremely well built fifth wheels that will provide excellent service to their owners for many years to come. It would be sad to see some of them sent to an RV salvage yard when they suffer the inevitable damage that occurs in ordinary usage.

I've wondered several times what happens to one of those trailers if the owner strikes a low overhead object and crushes a molded fiberglass end cap or damages other unique component made for that trailer only.
 
I had Good Years and they only lasted 4000 miles! I replaced them with Firestone Trans Force LT have over 60. 000 miles on then as of now and they look very good. Put them on in FEB of 05 Need to replace then before I head out for TX. in NOV. SO don't be a scared to run LT tires.
 
Harvey, as promised here is the info. I was in Carson City today & I stopped in & talked to my friend. The place is Ruperts Auto Body 2800 S Curry St Carson City, NV 775-883-4484. The contact is Tom Rahme. We talked & he said that repairing RV's for company's no longer in business was no problem as if it was & outer skin they buy a sheet of aluminum or fiberglass & rebuild from there. Most end caps are repairable & if it cannot be repaired a lot of different company's bought out the molds & they work with those company's. He had about 15 to 20 different side designs that they can get & if it doesn't match you RV they re-skin the whole RV. He said that re-skinning an RV is not rocket science. As for wheel skirts they try to replace with original design & if they can't they match it to the closest design to your RV. He said there are about 500 different wheel shirts out there & he showed me where he can still get the same design skirt for my 96 Holiday Rambler. When I was there they had 6 RV's in various stages of repair. I know that they repainted my end caps on my HR when they were so bad & they matched the color perfect. As for strips & designs on RV sides or end caps if they can't match it with new strips they paint the strips as they did on my HR end caps. I hope that is the info that you wanted.
 
Jack,

Thanks for obtaining and posting that information. I believe it is valuable information for someone who owns an orphaned or older RV with no factory parts support available.

I copied your post and opened a new thread with its own title to make it easier to find once we've forgotten what thread it was originally posted in.

Thanks again.
 
Harvey, you are the grim reaper of trailer tires, they come from all over the USA to die on your lonely stretch of highway, eh? Your a good fella to help those poor RV'ers too. Thanks for both threads.

Ken
 
I replaced them with Firestone Trans Force LT have over 60. 000 miles on then as of now and they look very good. Put them on in FEB of 05 Need to replace then before I head out for TX. in NOV. SO don't be a scared to run LT tires.





I replaced my triple axle trailer tires with the Transforce H/T LT Load Range E, and have had great luck with the tires. Perfect wear and no failures. :D
 
So I have an 04 PlayMor 32 FW with 16 GY 614 on it. They were bought in 2009 according to last owners. I was looking on the back of one of them and it has (1706) stamped in the back of it.

Does this mean this tire is 5 years old!!
 
So what Michelins are people putting on, the XPS Rib? Is this a commercial truck tire used in an RV trailer application. The highest rating i saw was 3000 per tire at 80lb E rated. Are there no G rated in 16 that are good?
 
To replace the G614s on our RV, I went with 215/75R-17. 5 Michelin XTA load range J tires (4805 lbs @ 120 PSIG) and equally rated 17. 5" aluminum wheels. The 17. 5" Michelins will fit wherever the G614s are used since their diameter is 0. 3" less than the G614 (30. 5" versus 30. 8" for the G614).



The XPS Rib unfortunately can't directly replace the G614 since it isn't available in anything higher than a load range E.



Rusty
 
I replaced LT235/85R-16 load range G Goodyear 614 RST (3750 lbs @ 110 PSIG) with 215/75R-17. 5 load range J Michelin XTAs (4805 @ 120 PSIG). Are those the specifics you wanted regarding the tires?



I purchased 5 each wheels and tires pre-mounted and balanced (your choice, weights or Equal) complete with center caps and lugs from Scott at Trailer Wheels and Tires. Scott can supply the appropriate wheels and lug nuts for 1/2", 9/16" or 5/8" studs, whereas all the Alcoas I could find were for 5/8" studs only and required that the studs be changed out on the axles.





Rusty
 
I have similar rig as RustyJC that came with the Michelin XTAs. I only have about 4000 miles on them but so far I like them. I find that they run very cool even on warm days and long steady driving. I never like to run tires to the maximum rating and with the rating on these tires I am running at approx. 2/3 capacity which leaves a nice safety margin. As a side note they do have a speed rating of 62 mph which I am not overly concerned about as I am not running at max weight and usaully I don't like to tow much faster than 65 mph any way.
 
As a side note they do have a speed rating of 62 mph which I am not overly concerned about as I am not running at max weight and usaully I don't like to tow much faster than 65 mph any way.



The XTAs are a European tire, and 62 MPH corresponds with 100 KmH, the European speed limit for trucks. The XTAs are supplied with a number of heavy 5th wheels as standard or optional equipment and are a common upgrade in the aftermarket as well. When we tow, I generally set the cruise control at 65 MPH and go, but I'll run up to 70 MPH to make a pass if necessary without any concern. I've never read of any speed-related (or any, come to think of it) failures of the XTAs on any of the RV forums.



If the speed rating bothers you, you can always opt for a similar Goodyear G114 with a 75 MPH rating and take your chances.....



Rusty
 
The G614 RST tires on my 2006 HitchHiker were made in September 2005. :eek:

Now I'm becoming concerned after reading the horror stories. I thought that Goodyear had finally got it right but maybe not. I have about 24,000 miles on mine now and they look like new.



I only tow my trailer to AZ from MN and back every year. After that it sits from late April to early December. I do jack up the tires a couple of times while it's stored to rotate to a different spot and they are kept covered. I also have Centramatic balancers on all the trailer wheels.



Now am I just lucky? I'm thinking that I should replace the tires before I head south again in 8 months. I've got premium forged aluminum wheels on my trailer so I don't want to buy new larger wheels. I suppose I'll have to stick with the Goodyears unless someone else comes out with a good 16" G rated tire.



Are there any other non-chinese 16" G rated available?
 
Dieselnerd: Greeetings. I just replaced all 6 (2nd spare) 16" tires with the GY G614's "G" rated TRAILER tires, before heading out this season. Had tread loss each year from the OEM LT "E" rated tires supplied & ultimately replaced on my 2005 HH II LS 5er. Light Truck tires have no place on a 14K# trailer with 2-6K# axles. When subtracting the typical 2K# hitchweight, the axles & tire ratings equal the load, which is criminal IMHO, leaving no room for other road/traveling variables. As the trailer bounces along thousands of times, the tires are seeing additional load forces due to trailer's (vertical) movement/momentum.

I feel most confident in these new G614's. Running temps (IR measured) are at least 15 deg cooler now, due to their stiffer walls & sturdier carcass, which reduces their rolling resistance/friction. Previously I could easily see the tires 'squish', not now.

I have 3K# Alum. rims, but only using 85 PSIG which goes to 92 PSIG on the road. Heck, the previous tires built up enough heat to go from 80 to 94 PSIG anyway! Stiffer tires are running cooler & that 80+ press. is providing a little extra load capability.

Wally
 
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