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Gray Davis, the ACLU, and the 9th "Circus" Court ... ??

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Interesting..........

... . and the ANSWER IS ..... the Kommifornia voters get SCREWED once again!!!!



Its a wonder why any of you Cali. voters bother to show up at the polls any more ... the courts just do what ever they want ... and insult anyone of minority status saying that basically "... minorities are not smart enough to use the old ballots in the next election ... ".



Man I tell ya, if it isn't time for a armed revolt out there, there will never be a time for it. :mad:



As has been said "... every so often the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the ... " you know the rest.
 
Amazing, isn't it....

Yes, we here in this wonderful state have taken it in the shorts one more time. I don't know if I could ever explain to someone the absolute despair one feels every time there is an election here, knowing that this court has and will render my vote into the trash heap. But, I haven't quit yet, I just mailed my absentee ballot yesterday. Looks like I wasted a 37 cent stamp, again!



Sam
 
KALIFORNIA

There will not be a recall election! IF it ever gets close, and Davis is behind ANY Republican in the polls, he will resign & give it to Bustamonte. God help you all if that comes to pass. Just remember, you elected them, or let them get elected.
 
I hope the recall doesn't happen, sets a bad precident. It would be ok if the politician broke the law but not just for making the wrong decisions. If bad decisions were the criteria Bush should be recalled also.
 
Davis... ... ... ..... he will resign & give it to Bustamonte



Why, they just passed a bill giving emigrant (Illegal) aliens free tuition at community collages while raising the tuition for everyone else.



It is time to move. :rolleyes:



Cary:cool:
 
Decisions

If there wasn`t a state law allowing for the recall, I would agree with Illflem. But it has been there for 80 plus years. It hasn`t been used before, but it is a legitimate statute. I don`t live in California, so I just offer an opinion. I think we get the Govt. we deserve if we are not vigilant. I vote for candidates, not elephants or jackasses. It`s funny, we are all firing the rhetoric around here. Some are pro & some are con, but none of us goes to jail for voicing our opinion! All things considered, this IS the best country in the world! God Bless The USA!!!!!!! Don.
 
Must be "No Fault" elections in California. Recall for any purpose?



My opinion, you get the sorry people you elect.



I would really hold my head high though if it took the likes of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Jesse Jackson to keep me elected!
 
If minorities are'nt smart enough to use these ballots in the next election, then why was it OK to use them to elect Davis in the first place? I'll never have the kind of logic it takes to be a judge. Think how insulting this is for the minorities in question!
 
Originally posted by illflem

I hope the recall doesn't happen, sets a bad president. It would be ok if the politician broke the law but not just for making the wrong decisions. If bad decisions were the criteria Bush should be recalled also.



Just because he declares an illegal war on Iraq ( I dont like Saddam anyway ), LIES about a IRAQ nuclear weapon program, tells the EPA to LIE to NY'ers and say the air around the WTC was safe when they knew it was very, very bad to breathe it, etc you compare him to Gov Davis? How silly of you ;) He is a politician, nothing more, except he can keep his pants zipped and cigar box lid closed... Or course Bush's wife is a whole lot prettier than Hillary, but then so is my dog :-laf



:-laf



RE-ELECT NO ONE!!! (except Ron Paul)
 
Three things;



As soon as I heard last week who the three judge panel was that would hear the recall lawsuit, I knew the election was off!!

They were two clinton appointees and one Carter appointee.



It has NOTHING to do with the validity of the voting method (one that has been used all over the country for years without a problem untill algore came up with it as a dodge to avoid losing. ) it is simply another effort to keep a liberal democrate in power.



WHO appoints judges, especially at the federal level is darn near as important as who sits in the White house. The demos know this, that is why they are fighting so hard to limit the number of judges Bush can get into office, and to pack the courts with ultra liberal people. If you were to be able to check, I would bet that MOST of Clinton appointees were ACLU people.

Even at our local level its that way. Our last demo gov. appointed four judges in the county I served in since I retired; two were former ACLU officers, a third was an ACLU member, and I do not know whether the 4 was ACLU or not. The demo govs (and presidents) know that to load the bench with ACLU types insures very liberal rullings on anything that comes up. When thinking of who to vote for, think of what sort of judges that person is likely to appoint.



2. Davis is not being recalled for error or mistakes; he is being recalled because he got re-elected by FRAUD. He told the voters flat out lies about the finacial condition of the state---without the lies, he would never have been re-elected. When you gain office by fraud, that is grounds for recall.



3. At risk of great repitition;

There is absolutly ZERO EVIDENCE of ANY lie by Bush regarding the war in IRAQ------only claims by the bush haters.

You guys forget so conveniently that Clinton and many of his senior people made the claim of WMDs well before Bush came to office. A number of senior demo senators and congresmen(yea, including several who are now trying to claim there were none) wrote wrote Clinton in 1999, urging him to use force to disarm Saddam-----saying that he had WMDs, now those same people try to say Bush lied when he said they existed. By screwing around with the UN, we gave saddam months to hide them in an area as large as Calif. , or just as likly in Iran, or one of the other terror related countries.

Remember Maddy "Halfbright"s words, speaking as Clintons sec. of state??? She said that the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Saddams hands were the most serious danger this nation faced; that was in the last year or so of the Clinton administration.

Were Clinton and all his people lying on Bush's behalf over a year befor he came to office???

GET REAL.



Vaughn
 
What amazes me is those stupid fools voted him back in after the first round!:mad: That man(I use that term loosely)will lie,cheat, deceive,and make promises to those dumb enough to believe him. He thinks that all the things he has done for the minorities will get him to look good, but most will probably get shot down by the feds. (hopefully). Man counting the years till I get out of this state!

Gotta wait till the wife retires. She has worked for the state for 22 yrs,at a collage. Man this whole thing is:mad:
 
Originally posted by merryman

Three things;



3. At risk of great repitition;

There is absolutly ZERO EVIDENCE of ANY lie by Bush regarding the war in IRAQ------only claims by the bush haters.





Vaughn



Uhhh, Vaughn, did you miss the newspaper article? The Bush Administration was questioned on the WTC air issue and they (Bush) said that it was in the "interest of nationsal security" to "instruct" the EPA to declare the air around the burning WTC "safe" when they knew is was harmful to breathe it. That is LIEing to us. What will YOU do when they say YOUR air or water or food is "safe"? Remembering the NY'ers I will never trust him again. I voted for him here (Texas), I voted for him as President and I feel he has let us down. I think he was getting even with Saddam for his dad.



Did you miss the story on the Iraq nuclear weapons fiasco? Have we found the massive ( or any significant ) WMD?



Bush has let the Rupublican Party down and by himself, made sure that the Democrats win in 04 IMO. It's gonna get worse from here.



Korea is a much bigger threat or are the nuclear weapons there just an illusion too?



I dont know who to believe; if bush has lost the confidence of his core supporters ( people like me) he is in trouble for 04. All we need is another Clinton type.



I am worried about our future as a Country.



I am not a happy camper at this point.



:(
 
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Tejas, to understand why many conservatives, especially older ones, won't acknowledge that the president and his administration are a pack of liars you have to realize it's a direct affront to their feeling of security. They just don't want to see it because to do so sends their whole world crashing down. Many grew up in times when you could trust the government and want to go on thinking so, they choose to put the blinders on instead by only listening to media reports that support their views.

Best comparison is a guy who has been married for 25 years choosing to ignore his wife is having an affair (denial), it's just too much for them to accept, they go on as if nothing is happening. When they are finally forced to recognize it they blame it on the other guy (Clinton) rather than admit that the problem could have come from themselves.



More here about what makes them tick

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1017546,00.html
 
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Get over yourself Bill...

The first sentence in that article says it all



"A study funded by the US government "

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:



It amazes me that anyone who supports liberalism has the nerve to bring up the subject of honesty and integrity after the Clinton years.



Back to the start of this thread. I notice that all you defenders of the democrats and liberals live everywhere but here in California. How come you don't live here in this "shangrila" that the people you support have created? If it's so wonderful, why don't you come and enjoy it?



Sam
 
As an OLD CONSERVATIVE it is quite simple to me. There are 3 left wing liberal democraps in California that are more intelligent than the populace and therefore have the right to make the call for ALL of California. Much like the TDR. There are 2 to 3 left wing liberal democraps... ... ... ...



Bill Clinton was driven by Hillary to acquire money (Whitewater Deal) to have the power that she was looking for. With power she can Control. She was extremely upset when the Whitewater deal lost money and had to resort to alternative methods to get the money so she could acquire the power. She has it now and wants to lead the elite in thinking for you and me - much like those Judges in California.



Woe is that day when Hillary becomes President. It is bad enough that she is a Senator.



I don't care if Gay Davis retains the governorship of California. I care that a lot of the people are being screwed with by power hungry ACLU affiliated judges.



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BTW - my conservatism is not a crutch. Black is black. White is white. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. When a 35 year old man sexually abuses a 4 year old girl, his life should end the moment he is KNOWN to be guilty. But our left wing friends want to analyze WHY he did this and how society influenced his bad behavior. Then they will send him away for 3 years for behavior modification, return him to your neighborhood, and not let you know that your 4 & 5 year old daughters could be his next play things. When a sadistic dictator murders 5000 of his own people because they disagree with his religion, he needs to be dealt with appropriately. It took a big man to make the decision to deal with him. He hates you too - just because you are an American!
 
I figure Bill Clinton could be guilty of almost every rational thing he was blamed for - money in Whitewater, sex in the Oval Office, whatever (I'll leave out the irrational stuff like murdering Vince Foster) - and it still doesn't rise to the same level as squandering a pretty good world opinion of the US, lying to the people about why we're attacking another country, not having a plan for winning the peace in that same country, and not being able to keep up what had been the longest stretch of good economy we've ever had. Where's the honesty and integrity now?
 
So you think it was better that Clinton purposely let Bin Laden roam free? You have no idea the damage that 8 years of Clinton has done to this country. It is incalculable. Clinton and all his appointed cronies have set this country back far more than most people realize or understand. His freewheeling and turn a blind eye attitude allowed corporations and individuals to pillage and plunder this country to the tune of trillions of dollars. It will take many, many years to undo the damage he did in eight. I am neither Democrat nor Republican, and I don’t support many of the policies adopted by Bush. But to say Bush is worse than Clinton is intellectually bankrupt.
 
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