Great now what??? what do you guys think?

[Ducman82]

SO... ... . i just got my oil sample results back... WOW>... something is not right... . what do you guys think???



need less to say im changing the oil after work. i dont drive her hard at all so im kinda at a loss. i only use the edge for the guages... . hummmm i tried to post the report as a picture, but i guess it did not work...

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

YUP - something sure is wrong - way too high in too many categories - like they said, coolent leak looks quite likely - good luck...

 

[Ducman82]

im just wondering what it could be... . joy

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I'm surprised to see that you are also running a bypass oil filtration system - those numbers are worse than most non-bypassed motors - and curiously - seem to be getting WORSE as the miles get greater - when MOST engines start LOWERING wear numbers - and I'm not talking just about this last analysis, but the string before this one...

 

[rbattelle]

i dont drive her hard at all so im kinda at a loss.

You've got all those modifications and you don't drive it hard? Are you sure?

It's almost as if you've got a plugged oil passage somewhere. Have you noticed any changes in your oil pressure over time? [If you only have the factory oil pressure "gauge" that doesn't count].

Is the vehicle driven every day? What's your oil change interval? How many hours are on the engine?

Ryan

 

[JWadford]

the sodium content is from burnt coolant, the silicon is dirt entry, the silicon is more than likely what is driving up the wear metal readings, iron from front gears, aluminum,copper,lead,tin etc are bearings and piston skirt...

 

[EArp]

Ducman, I am just curious, but why do you run 5W-40? Is there a performance benefit? I just wonder if it protects as well as the 15W-40 that is recommended.

 

[Ducman82]

its 15w40 oil. its a daily driver that sees short trips. this oil had about 9k on it. i plan on taking out the edge W/ Atittude and getting the Insight for the guages. i never use the power modes (came with the truck used). i checked the coolent and it has not budged at all. i did just replace the airfilter with a new one about 2k ago. .



i have all the mods because i like to make things run and flow better. the engine has 1034 hours. that does not seam like to much

 

[rbattelle]

its 15w40 oil. its a daily driver that sees short trips. this oil had about 9k on it. i plan on taking out the edge W/ Atittude and getting the Insight for the guages. i never use the power modes (came with the truck used). i checked the coolent and it has not budged at all. i did just replace the airfilter with a new one about 2k ago. .



i have all the mods because i like to make things run and flow better. the engine has 1034 hours. that does not seam like to much

Okay, I understand better now. 1034 hours is pretty reasonable (roughly 29 MPH average speed... pretty low).



What kind of air filter did you replace with? Check the intake pipes and see if they're really dusty.



Ryan

 

[Ducman82]

i replaced it with an amsoil Nano. i had on in before that. but i will check for dust today. what are the signes of a head gasket going? the oil i took out yesterday was free of any water. i have noticed in the AM that when i first start the truck it runs great, but i swear i can feel a little "miss" but i might just be over reacting a bit. anyone got an insight they want to trade?

 

[Ducman82]

so i checked for dusting and i found nothing in the intake tube, no dirt, dust or any particulate matter. i checked the radiator cap and the rad it full, no oil residue or anything that i can find showing exhaust gases makeing it in to the coolent. the rez was a little low, but a few weeks ago i did the "over flow hose clamp fix". it was amazing that they dont add ANY clamp to that. so, after changing the oil and checking her over, im just going to drive her and see what i can find and or figure out.



are there any test a "good" dealer tech can check?

 

[JWadford]

after you check all intake piping,manifold, and intercooler boots, check clamp torque for piping, you already changed the oil, run it untill about halfway through or until the next pm and resample the oil and send it out to compare to the previous results... . also when taking an oil sample, it has to be very clean, as any particle landing in the bottle while sampling will affect the sample readings

 

[Ducman82]

ya im hoping that the bad readings came from the petcock i use to sample the oil with engine running. im sure it gets dirt and junk up in it... . ill have to flush befor i take the sample next time. im thinking of doing a few samples this time. see how it does. not just wait till 3k

 

[MMeier]

You drain off oil while its running??

 

[Ducman82]

ya, i installed a petcock inline with my bypass filter. so all i have to do is crack it and drain what i need. works like a champ.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

ya, i installed a petcock inline with my bypass filter. so all i have to do is crack it and drain what i need. works like a champ.

With a setup like that, you need to be sure to somehow cap off the valve outlet, to keep various bits of road and other underhood crud from accumulating up inside, and contaminating your oil samples - plus, the rotation of the valve mechanism, if it's made of brass, may well shed enough metalic material into the oil sample stream to add it's own contamination - it take VERY little to contaminate and compromise an oil sample...

 

[Ducman82]

humm. that is a good point. it got the brass valve from amsoil, but i know its nothing special. i never did think about a cap, or that IT might cause contamination. that would explane the copper/brass in the sample, but the iron... . humm. so im guessing ill drain a little oil BEFORE i take the sample. that should help.



thanks



Jake

 

[ENafziger]

Hmmm... I find this disturbing on several levels. First, you have an '06 like myself, and seem to have done significant mods with the intention of extending engine life (amsoil mods, by-pass oil filter, mag hytecs, etc).

Second, were you running the Schaeffer's 9000 5w-40 oil as indicated at the top of the oil report?

I've attached my last oil report from Blackstone's. I find it almost eery at the similarity between our reports. My level of wear metals was even worse than yours for the most part.

I'm running an OilGuard by-pass with FilterMags, Donaldson ELF primary oil filter, AFE ProGuard 7 air filter, etc. I've had a particle count done before, and the effectiveness of this setup offered better results than anything else I've seen!

However, the commonality I see between our two trucks is the Schaeffer's 9000 5w-40 oil that we're both using. This is somewhat alarming, as after much research, I understood this oil to be possibly the best oil available... very similar to the Amsoil offering, but with an extra dose of the Moly lubricant for reduced friction and metal wear. Unfortunately, if you can make an assumption from our two cases, this oil seems to be offer extremely poor protection from metal wear... and in my case, I've seen a corresponding decrease in fuel economy as well!

What's even more puzzling, is the Schaeffer's oil I'm running is still stock-piled old CI-4+ forumulation!

For what it's worth, I always sample as recommended by Blackstone, pulling the sample directly from the oil pan drain plug approximately mid-way through the draining process.

Interested in thoughts...

--Eric

 

[Mhannink]

honetsly i dont see too much of an issue especilly since he said the truck does a lot of short trips. that means not running at operating temp for very long. i would expect to see high levels of everything and especilly since he says there is 9k miles on the oil. what i really want to know is the tbn number of the original clean new oil. my thought is its too low and not doing its job anymore. when tbn reaches half of rated change the oil.

 

[Ducman82]

so here is the oil report after a little over a thousand miles. seems much better. so after i hit 3k, im going ot change it and see how it does. i think im going to just do 6k on this oil from now on. just to be safe! also, this time, i cleaned the petcock, and drained a little befor i took the sample. not sure on the fuel being in the oil, but she is running great, no real smoke to speak of. just a little at start up. then it goes away quick.