Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) GSK AND "0" PLATE??

[MRector]

ok guys, ive been doing some searching and what ive came up with is a #0 plate wont work well with a 3k or 4k gsk--why?



i also have a #8 and a home ground #100--would either of these work better with the gsk?



i havent installed a gsk YET but i will be soon and just needing input.



thanks, mike

 

[JO'Leary]

The 3K kit and #100 plate is a good combo. If you have enough air, i think the 0 plate would work.

Joe

 

[Forrest Nearing]

#0 plate works with any GSK

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Ok someone enlighten me on why you would ever want to run a zero plate! If you ran one the right way you would have to use the AFC to control the rack as it would just be a smoke show on the bottom end.



Jim

 

[Forrest Nearing]

unless you just want a smoke show



I agree, I'd rather rely on plate profile to control bottom end smoke than AFC so that upper RPM throttle response doesn't suffer

 

[MRector]

JIM--SO YOUR SAYING CHUCK THE 0 PLATE AND THEN WHAT A 6 OR 10?



DOES MAKE SENSE THOUGH-WHEN I INSTALLED THE #0 AFTER THE #8 I DIDNT NOTICE MUCH POWER DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN MORE SMOKE AND HIGHER EGTS.



IFN'S I DID GO TO A #10 (WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CROWD FAVORITE ON TDR) WOULDNT THAT BE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION FOR MORE POWER? THAT IS GOING BY THE PLATE CHART HP #'S.





WHAT ID REALLY LIKE IS TO LIVE CLOSER TO OK, TO HAVE THE MASTER WAVE HIS MAGIC PRESSURE GAUGE OVER THE AFC :-laf :-laf YOU GONNA BE CLOSE TO VA ANYTIME SOON JIM?



THANKS, MIKE

 

[Forrest Nearing]

the chart doesn't really mean anything...



the problem w/ the #10 is that it pulls fuel at higher RPM... I'd go w/ a #100... Jim's got a real pump and some sick injectors, so a #6 plate on his setup has more bottom end fueling than a #0 plate on your setup...

 

[JGheen]

Well, if you run the #100 plate and put the AFC about middle or more torwards the rear, would that compensate for that large bottom end pre-boost smoke and give you that top end fueling a response rather than having the AFC full forward?



Joe

 

[Forrest Nearing]

well, if the plate is full forward, you might run into the AFC arm limiting your fueling w/ the housing pulled back.

 

[Matthug]

A 0 plate should have more low end fueling than any other plate. You can only compare plates with stock pumps, obviously a tuned pump is set up different and will react differently to the same plate on a stock pump.

I run a 0 plate, AFC kit with the light spring, AFC housing full forward, starwheel full forward, a 16 cm turbine housing, and 300 injectors. I can take off and accelerate at a normal pace with absolutely NO SMOKE whatsoever. Moderate acceleration a slight puff after each shift, very slight. Only when I lug the engine with 1/2 or more throttle will it smoke a lot.

 

[JGheen]

well, if the plate is full forward, you might run into the AFC arm limiting your fueling w/ the housing pulled back.

But that should decrease the amount of pre-boost smoke until boost is achieved correct? That is my problem now, either my AFC being full forward is causing the smoke before boost is achieved or I went to big on my last EDM upgrade. :-laf



Joe

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I loved my #0 plate w/ a 215 pump, 370's, AFC housing and wheel full forward... it was a freight train as far as smoke, but I was younger then

 

[MRector]

I TRIED MY 0 PLATE AT STOCK AND THEN AT FULL FORWARD--DIDNT FEEL ANY DIFFERENT. I LIKED THE POWER CURVE OF THE 8 PLATE-BUT I CHANGED OUT PLATES BEFORE I CHANGED TURBOS AND DONT KNOW HOW IT ACTS WITH THE B-1.



BACK TO THE ORIGINAL Q--IF I INSTALL A 3K IT WONT STUMBLE/SHUDDER?

I AM GOING TO GET THE 4K KIT AND JUST INSTALL THE 3K SPRING(S) FOR NOW UNTIL I POP THE HEADGASKET THEN ILL FIRERING, STUD AND 4K ALL AT ONCE!

 

[pwerwagn]

Ok someone enlighten me on why you would ever want to run a zero plate! If you ran one the right way you would have to use the AFC to control the rack as it would just be a smoke show on the bottom end.

Yes, but isnt that the point of the AFC?? I think the opposite. I see really no reason to run a 100 over a 0. If the AFC is setup properly and doing its job, then the low end fueling is taken care of by the AFC.

If you are not using the AFC to control low end fuel, then about the only purpose it now serves is to limit roll-on fuel (I. E, full fuel when not under higher boost conditions... ).



MRector, turn your caps off. It makes your post hard to read, and is yelling in internet language!!!

If a 3K or 4K is installed correctly, it shouldnt have any ill effects with a 0, a 100, or a 10.



--Jeff

 

[Matthug]

I agree 100% with pwerwagn about the AFC, thats the point of it! Like i posted I have a 0 plate full forward and AFC full forward, I can drive with zero smoke coming out. It's all in the right foot control.

The only plates with known problems with GSK's are the 5 and 6 plate, 5 being the most common and then 6 not quite as common.

 

[pwerwagn]

The 11 plate also doesnt like GSK in some cases. But I think that has a bit to do with gov lever adjustment also... .



--Jeff

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I TRIED MY 0 PLATE AT STOCK AND THEN AT FULL FORWARD--DIDNT FEEL ANY DIFFERENT. I LIKED THE POWER CURVE OF THE 8 PLATE-BUT I CHANGED OUT PLATES BEFORE I CHANGED TURBOS AND DONT KNOW HOW IT ACTS WITH THE B-1.



BACK TO THE ORIGINAL Q--IF I INSTALL A 3K IT WONT STUMBLE/SHUDDER?

I AM GOING TO GET THE 4K KIT AND JUST INSTALL THE 3K SPRING(S) FOR NOW UNTIL I POP THE HEADGASKET THEN ILL FIRERING, STUD AND 4K ALL AT ONCE!

You didn't feel any difference because the AFC arm is your limiting point. I have posted info on here before on exactly what to do with it.



Yes even with a stock pump I like a #5 or #6 better than a zero, a #5 have more bottom end fuel. Yes a zero will have more bottom end fuel as it has no tapper point, the fueling rate is controlled my the AFC or your foot. You can have too much fuel on the bottom and hurt spool up, this is were bigger is not better.



Last thing..... turn off your CAPS LOCK



Jim

 

[MRector]

ok- caps are off, due to popular request sorry guys



i am going to do some searching on the "afc limiting arm movement" and try to fix that.



i can also control the amount of smoke with my foot pre-boost, but it still has the 370 haze all the time. i believe i will stay with the 0 plate for now, and just try to learn more about the afc



does any one have a pic of their pressure gauge to simulate boost? i want to make myself one to get more into the workings of the p-pump and a better understanding of how it works. also if anyone has a checklist maybe, of how to set up the afc would be greatly appreciated!!



thanks,

mike

 

[pwerwagn]

I dont have a pic, but its just basically a regulator hooked to the AFC. you adjust pressure, simulating boost, and see where the foot ends up at a certain pressure. If thats what you are talking about.....

You can have too much fuel on the bottom and hurt spool up, this is were bigger is not better.

This is also why I stick with the stock afc spring in the 215 pump and not one of the lighter versions...

 

[moparguy]

Not to hijack the thread, but Matthug mentioned that the 5 plate/gsk was a bad combination. Since that's what I'm running just wondering what's wrong with it.



I've got a never installed 8, and ground a 10 the other day that I had considered trying, but put it in another guys truck. Worked great by the way. I used to run a 8, then moved up to the 5 with a medium spring in the AFC.



Thanks RR