has this happened to you

[bandrew]

I put on my edge ez about 3 months ago and it was great but then about christmas time my truck started acting up on me going down the interstate at 75 it was like a on off power surge 75 then coast to 60 then back up to 75. Its been getting worse and worse then the other day i pulled out to take off from home and smoke and no power at all for a few seconds then just blasts off my odometer shows a 1693 and 0216 what should a guy do take off the ez and take it to dodge since I only have 73000 miles on it or is it just the ez acting up???

 

[BillGotthelf]

I believe the 216 is the dreaded injector pump timing which usually means the injector pump is on the way out. You might have a bad pump wire connection (if your edge has pierced the injector pump wire).

 

[bandrew]

It's just an edge ez so i don't think I could of effected the wire that your describing

 

[Bob Wagner]

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Originally posted by 15w40

The VP44 uses internal fuel pressure to advance the injection timing. The way it works is the ECM sends a timing command to the Fuel Control Module, located on to of the VP, and the fuel control module changes the duty cycle on a solenoid that causes the internal fuel pressure to rotate a lobed ring. This ring is responsible for cycling three pump plungers creating a high pressure. The high pressure fuel then goes to the distributor and out to the injectors. One feature of the VP is a timing correction mechanism that monitors the ring rotation and causes the fuel control module to increase or decrease the duty cycle to the timing solenoid. If the correction is not possible, either due to low fuel pressure or damage to the ring, the error code is set, P0216.



I have no documentation on the above but have pieced this together from reading about the VP44 over the last few years.



Hope this helps.

The VP44 uses internal fuel pressure to advance the injection timing. The way it works is the ECM sends a timing command to the Fuel Control Module, located on to of the VP, and the fuel control module changes the duty cycle on a solenoid that causes the internal fuel pressure to rotate a lobed ring. This ring is responsible for cycling three pump plungers creating a high pressure. The high pressure fuel then goes to the distributor and out to the injectors. One feature of the VP is a timing correction mechanism that monitors the ring rotation and causes the fuel control module to increase or decrease the duty cycle to the timing solenoid. If the correction is not possible, either due to low fuel pressure or damage to the ring, the error code is set, P0216.



I have no documentation on the above but have pieced this together from reading about the VP44 over the last few years.



Hope this helps.

 

[bandrew]

Can they tell if I have the edge ez on my truck

 

[Sticks]

Have you checked your fuel pressure, or for a plugged filter? It is not unknown for an EZ to kill a VP all by itself, but the most common cause is either a failed LP of plugged fuel filter. Fuel pressure at the VP44 inlet should be at least 12psi at idle, and no lower than 8 WOT.



If it is an experienced mechanic, they can find out if a timing or fueling box has been attached. The truck keeps a running log of data including timing, rpm, speed, fuel maps and so on. This data is not something that the owner can clear by disconnecting the batteries or other little tricks. I was told that it will take about 40 good trips to overwrite the data.



I went through this with mine. Setting 0216 codes frequently and only occasional noticeable problems. I waited until I had more definite problems, like smoke, stumble, low power, and such. If the dealer wants to do some testing, suggest that they just clear the codes, document it, and suggest that you keep driving until you get a more specific symptom. When the code comes back, go in, have them clear it and log it. If trips to the dealer are inconvenient, just keep a log of mileage, and conditions (outside temperature, speed, how long the engine was running, mileage) and hit Auto Zone or somewhere where you can have the codes cleared for free. It is a PITA, but it saves the hassle of them keeping the truck for a few days and coming back with the usual "Could not duplicate problem", or the "V" word.



I would not be concerned about it unless the dealer starts talking about finding the source of the VP44 failure other than the LP. If they start hinting at power mods, or asking you if you have bought any after market things for your truck, then I would get concerned. MAKE SURE that you put the data port plug back in! I have read about owners that were denied because the plug was missing and the insides were clean, and or the plug was clean and the port was dirty, and Velcro straps on the PDC.



Either get it equally dirty as the rest of the engine in that area by wiping a rag on the power steering pump to smear around any oil residue and then wipe the cap, or buy some engine degreaser and spray down your engine and wash it (low pressure wash!!!). Washing is the better choice. The MAP sensor is a simple little untruth, "I took the cap off the sensor to clean it and grease it. " if they ask.



Not that I am suggesting that you defraud the dealer in any way, since you did technically voided your warranty when you installed the Edge according to their definition.

 

[Straight6Jeff]

It seems from reading many posts that the ez on the ETH (mine included) seems to have more failed injection pumps than the ETC rigs. Most of the posts I have read with the failed injection pumps have been on the HO with EZ. HMMMM... ...

 

[15w40]

I felt my ears burning.



There is a good chance that damage to the VP has been caused by the EZ. Any time the duty cycle to the fuel solenoid is increased, the pump plungers move further, under high pressure, before the dump valve opens. The EZ makes power by increasing the injection duty cycle. This is the same as a Comp with a tapped wire if it is set on a low setting. Unfortunately, some VPs have problems and others don’t.



I would first change the filter and check for good fuel pressure. You might get lucky.