Helper/pusher Pump

[1965LONEWOLF]

I HAVE A 04. 5 325/600 CUMMINS WITH 21000 MILES ON IT , I THINK I M GOING TO GO WITH A TST BOX , DO I NEED TO INSTALL A HELPER PUMP TO HELP THE HIGHER SETTINGS ON THIS BOX ? DO I NEED A FASS OR CAN I INSTALL SOMETHING ELSE ? LIKE A HOLLY PUMP OR SOMETHING ELSE ? I PLAN ON RUNNING IT ON THE SETTING 5/5 OR 4/4 . PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND FOR WHAT ITS WORTH SCOTT AT MASS DIESEL IN WALPOLE MASS KNOWS HIS STUFF, NICE GUY , SMART GUY AND YOU WON T GO WRONG DEALING WITH HIM, I WOULD RECOMEND ANYONE TO HIM , HE'S THE BEST IN MY AREA. :-laf

 

[ENafziger]

I have an '06 with a TST/EZ stack, and never have a problem running out of fuel on any setting. My guess is that the TST backs down fueling due to high boost or EGT's before the rail goes dry. Even on 9/9 with the TST I can pull a pretty good hill at low rpm and smoke out a good 2-4 lanes of traffic and it never seems as if it's running out of fuel!

 

[1965LONEWOLF]

Do You Have A 6 Spedd Or Auto ? I M Doing Up A 04. 5 325/600 And I Did All The Aircleaner,exhaust And Added A Shift Kit, I Hope The Tst Alone Will Give Me The Power And Smoke I Want , I Do Want Both , How Did Yours Run With Tst Alone ?

 

[ENafziger]

I have a 6-speed manual trans. The TST alone gave lots of power (about 5/5 seems to be best) and smoke (9/9). However, you have to be very careful to roll in and out of the throttle slowly to avoid "turbo bark". Adding the EDGE EZ stack eliminated much of this throttle sensitivity, and made the truck much more driveable. It also added more power and gave another 1-2 mpg over what the tst did.

 

[1965LONEWOLF]

So If I Buy The Tst I Have To Buy Another Box So It Runs Good ? If I Keep It Below 5/5 It Won T Drive Normal Or Smooth ? I D Hate To Buy A Tst For 900. 00 And The Thing Won T Run Right , I Thought Tst Was The Best

 

[ENafziger]

TST is considered the best by some people who wish to make alot of power. However, "turbo bark" is not a TST thing... it's a common occurance on many modified rigs using many different combinations of aftermarket components. Like I said, if you roll in and out of the throttle slowly, it's no big deal. The "bark" is more pronounced at higher settings, but it can happen at any setting when the boost is high and you let off the throttle quickly. The EZ stack simply dampens the sensitivity of the bark... in other words, I've found I can let off the throttle a lot quicker without making the turbo bark. They are both great chips, and both use different approaches in producing more power. Don't just take my opinions, though... read what some of the others have said. Tommeygun's articles have been particularly helpful to me. He is running the TST/EZ stack, and he has indicated that larger turbo and injectors help maintain driveability even more. Of course, with a bigger turbo and injectors, you're also have to going to have a clutch or transmission upgrades, pusher pump, cp3 mod, etc. It's all in how much you're wanting to spend.



The TST is one of the best for big power gains. However, it is a little slow to spool on the low end, and the power distribution is not quite linear with throttle position. The EZ stack helped address these issues for me, as well as suppress the "barking".



Hope this helps...

 

[1965LONEWOLF]

So If I Just Go With The Tst , I M Ok And If I Use The 4/4 Or 5/5 Setting I M Gonna Feel A Big Difference ? I Hoping After Its On I Make Atleast 350 - 375 On The Dyno. So The Edge Product You Have Stacked With Your Tst What Is The Exact Name Of It And How Does That Go On ?

 

[1965LONEWOLF]

Whats The Cp3 Mod ? Do You Know Anyone Who S Selling A Tst ?

 

[driverno8]

So If I Just Go With The Tst , I M Ok And If I Use The 4/4 Or 5/5 Setting I M Gonna Feel A Big Difference ? I Hoping After Its On I Make Atleast 350 - 375 On The Dyno. So The Edge Product You Have Stacked With Your Tst What Is The Exact Name Of It And How Does That Go On ?

You're going to feel a HUGE difference.

 

[1965LONEWOLF]

is there a small auxilliary pump i can put somewhere in the line to help my pump last longer and give it just a little bit more ? i just don t want to spend 900. 00 on a tst box and find out i m running out of fuel.

 

[ENafziger]

You'll feel a huge difference even on 3/3... it's like night and day. The other chip I used is an EDGE EZ 1000D. It has 2 connections... a MAP sensor and fuel pressure sensor.



The CP3 mod has to do with modifying the common rail for the fuel system. There are definately other things to do before you would need this.



I don't think you will pull down the fuel rail just using the TST if you have the backdown function enabled. I never have. The truck defuels because EGT and boost is too high, but not because it's lacking on fuel supply.

 

[Tomeygun]

Whats The Cp3 Mod ? Do You Know Anyone Who S Selling A Tst ?

There are quite a few vendors/Member on this site that carry the TST line of products. I recommend you maybe even find a local 3rd gen with this box, etc to see how nice it works...



As for if you need a pusher pump? under 400hp, I dont think so.



But the TST will let you grow. . I started with a TST and thats it. It made 325hp (up from 199) - now I am at 600 with a few other mods...



The TST adds about 20hp per HP level, and about 60ft-lbs per TQ level



Let me know if you have any questions...



BTW - THe EDGE "EZ" is nice to stack because it make a great box into an "AWESOME" box...

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

ENafziger- Are you still running the stock turbo? :--)





Jim

 

[CZCAPRI]

I run an edge juice with the hot juice upgrade stacked with an edge ez. I also had the intank pusher pump conversion done under warranty. With both boxes on the highest levels the fuel pressure will pull down to about 3-4 pounds. It has 9-10 pounds at normal driving speed. Prior to having the intank conversion done with just the edge ez it would pull the pressure down to zero,that was with the lift pump mounted on the motor. The fuel pressure reading is taken right at the cp3

 

[ENafziger]

Yeah, I'm still on the stock turbo... it spools quickly and boosts very well. Only problem is the TST backdown hits pretty quick due to hight EGT's. I'm sure a bigger turbo would let me stay into it longer, but can't go that route right now...

 

[1965LONEWOLF]

i have the stock turbo too , what setting are you running 4/4 or 5/5. whats it due when you get up to 1350 just back way down ? how long are you holding it wide open ?

 

[ENafziger]

I generally run the TST on 5/5 or 6/5 and the EDGE Ez on 2, although I sometimes run it up to 9/9 just to blow some smoke. I have the backdown temp set on 1350, but it often overshoots to about 1400 before it begins to defuel. When it defuels, it just feels like you're letting up on the pedal. The amount of time before it backs down varies with gear, rpm, load, etc. If you're rowing through the gears from a take-off, I don't believe it backs down until 6th gear. If you're cruising in 6th and floor it going up a hill, it may take 4-10 seconds to peg, just depends.