Heritage of 5.9 and 8.3.....

[hammersley]

At the Ford site... .



http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubb...&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=2&vc=1



Read this - thoughts?????



CaseIH went to the Cummins 5. 9 and 8. 3 because they are Case's engines. Confused? Let me explain: the B and C series Cummins diesels are not really Cummins. They are manufactured by Consolidated Diesel, a joint venture between Case and Cummins, started many years ago to develop ag and construction diesels. Natually, IH always used their own diesels, but when IH had to sell off their ag business to Case, Case didn't want to buy diesels off of someone else when they had their own.

 

[bmoeller]

They are manufactured by Consolidated Diesel, a joint venture between Case and Cummins, started many years ago to develop ag and construction diesels.

This is partly true. It was a joint venture between Case and Cummins to design and build the 5. 9 and 8. 3L engines. And it was called Consolidated Diesel. And the Case 504cid engine is different than the Cummins 8. 3 (505cid).



Wish I could find my book that covers the 150 yr (at the time) history of J. I. Case. It has a section on this very subject.



http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0000024959-page.html

 

[NIsaacs]

I was told by a Cummins Engine salesman years ago when I was buying my 5. 9 for my Ford, that the early 5. 9/8. 3 series engines were standard measure. That Cummins was responsible for making them metric and going global with their sales. Maybe that is the difference between the Case 504 and Cummins 505??





"NICK"

 

[bmoeller]

That Cummins was responsible for making them metric and going global with their sales. Maybe that is the difference between the Case 504 and Cummins 505??

No. They don't look anything alike. The 8. 3 has one head. The 504 has 2 or 3, don't recall.



There is a Case tractor at the local Deere dealership that may have a 504 in it. If it is, I'll get a pic.

 

[Joe G.]

I'm not sure what the ford boy's point is. Who cares about the history of the 5. 9? It will run a million miles working hard. When someone else's pickup truck engine can do that I'm sure we will hear about it.

 

[Scrappy]

they are still Cummins if it is a joint venture between cummins and case,

 

[PToombs]

I work for a case industrial dealer,the 504 has 3 heads. The cummins engines look totally different, the 8. 3 looks like the 5. 9. No way to mistake it for a 504. Now the engine tags say CNH, case new holland, and are 4. 3 and 6. 7's.

 

[bmoeller]

There is a Case tractor at the local Deere dealership that may have a 504 in it. If it is, I'll get a pic.

That tractor has 451, not the 504.

 

[Paychk]

At the Ford site... .



http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubb...&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=2&vc=1



Read this - thoughts?????



CaseIH went to the Cummins 5. 9 and 8. 3 because they are Case's engines. Confused? Let me explain: the B and C series Cummins diesels are not really Cummins. They are manufactured by Consolidated Diesel, a joint venture between Case and Cummins, started many years ago to develop ag and construction diesels. Natually, IH always used their own diesels, but when IH had to sell off their ag business to Case, Case didn't want to buy diesels off of someone else when they had their own.

I think this person needs to track down and buy "The Engine That Could" published by Harvard Press and do a little research. The reason Consolidated Diesel Corp. was formed was to provide Case with engines that were more advanced than they internally produced and to provide an avenue for Cummins to get into the medium engine market with out a large monetary investment. CDC was started with primarily Cummins engineers and facilitys located in Columbus Indiana near corporate head quarters. The development costs and engines produced were split between Cummins/Case.

 

[Kernel]

I guess when the Ford boys finally realized that Ford didn't own Cummins, then somebody else had to... huuummm how about... Case! After that it will probably be Isuzu.



Scott

 

[JJuday]

The 5. 9 and 8. 3 are both Cummins design, not Case. They were built as a joint venture through Consolidated Diesel Co. N. Carolina. Case itself didn't use the 5. 9 until they had bought IH in the early 80's. The 5. 9 was used in some dozers and front end loaders though. Early 80's Case tractors used 3-165 c. i. 4-219 c. i. 6-329 c. i. 6-451 c. i. 6-504 c. i. 6-673 c. i. motors. The early Magnum series CIH's used 4-239 c. i. which I belive is the B-3. 9, in the smaller tractors such as the 5220, the 505 8. 3 was used in the larger tractors such as the 7110 and our 5. 9 was used in mid range tractors like the 5230. CIH even used the N-14's in the Stieger brand name as well, just like the older Panthers and Bearcats. White Motor Co. also used the 5. 9 and 8. 3 in their tractors from the early 80's till they were bought by Agco and still used them up till the brand name was replaced by Agco. :-laf Wheeewww, what a mouthful! The info I found on Case tractors was at www.tractordata.com/caseih. It's always something with these furd guys! I think these poor guys are just jealous, mainly because their beloved 6. 0h no's have such a short and horrible history! And these guys really need to get their facts straight before they post anything!

 

[JJuday]

Sorry, the links arewww.tractordata.com/td/case.html and www.tractordata.com/td/caseih.html These should work. Oo.

 

[Kernel]

When I was in Iraq I saw p-pumped 5. 9's in some loaders, can't remeber who made them. They were something like 140 horse ??? I remember they were rated less than what were in pickups, I figured they were older set-ups due to the turbos being H1C's.



Scott