High Output Engine Option

[DRR-24V]

Is there a particular advantage to the HO option other than the 6 spd trans? It shows only 10 more HP than the standard. With an Edge kit would the power be the same on either engine?

 

[Gunny]

HO

The HO is way better Don and I know where there is a real nice Blue one for you to buy. Not too far either.

 

[HC]

I have and very much like the HO. Some say you can get more power for the $ with mild bombing of a non-HO due to the first-time cost of the HO option being more than the cost of some minor modifications. Others say the HO is a better starting point because several parts are heavier-duty. I have found that for me, the HO is enough power without mods, thus leaving my warranty intact, but many want more power.



Either way you go, I don't think you'll really be disappointed.

Be sure to get the NV-241HD transfer case; no sense in having this much power and not getting the HD transfer case. It may be included in some packages, but check to be sure.



One last thing - don't expect to win stoplight races with a manual, unless you're really willing to abuse both the transmission and your clutch. The power is there, but you lose too much time at each shift. Do I prefer the manual anyway? You bet! (I just recognize that there are lot of good reasons to choose an automatic too; each person has to weigh which features are most important to him/her. )

 

[Batman]

Don

I have the auto w/4. 11 LSD. I have test driven the HO. I agree with HC, it depends more on which you prefer to drive, auto/manual, and if you are going to modify your driveline at all.

I prefer the auto (of which I have just BOMBed ) for towing my 10,500 lb 5th wheel.

If you get the auto, and you tow alot, upgrade the TC, it really does make a difference.

my 2 cents, hope this helps

George

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by HC





My understanding is that if you add boxes to both engines, the HO will come out a little bit ahead. But if you add a box to the non-HO, it is going to beat the stock HO.

My understanding is not that! From what I read on this board... if you add a box that taps into the injection pump wires, the HO will get substantially less HP from that mod. An ETC(non HO) will get about a 100HP with a TST, Blue Chip, PE(hot programming), etc. An HO, with the same upgrade, will only gain about 40hp or so. There are many threads that say this, although it is yet to be fully determined whether the limiting factor on the HO is the injection pump or the ECM.



Disclaimer: I do not have an HO, but have read about this extensively on this board.

 

[jjdiesel]

To add to Rob's comment... . I think you HAVE to order an HO to get the 6spd. Can't get the 6spd with an ETC, unless you find a used one... would have to be a 98. 5 or an early 99 to be a ETC with the 6spd... . otherwise must be an HO

 

[klenger]

I want one.

 

[jstyer]

6 speed

To add to jjdiesel's comments: If you do not get an HO and do find a used 6 speed, it will not have the same transmission, clutch or flywheel. The HO has a larger main shaft in the transmission and a larger flywheel and clutch assembly. In stock form the HO is a BEAST and I really love it with the Git Kit. I don't know about the other units, but Banks assured me that you would not have less increase by installing on an HO since they make a unit for the HO only.

 

[DAWG-1]

If you want a manuel transmission go with the 6-sp. I had a '95 with the 5-sp. With the 6-sp. I am never inbetween gears. I shift less now and I am very happy with the H. O. . A VA will wake up the motor very nice or the Edge EZ.

 

[Rcpilotlv]

Dont forget the extra torque of 45 ft Lbs. Dosn't sound like much but it makes a difference. I have a 99 and its rated at 215hp and 420 ft lbs. I borrowed a dealers truck(H. O) and did my own shootout against mine. I pulled a boat wieghing about 3500 lbs on both trucks on some steep grades around Las vegas. My 99 would hold about 60 mph shifting in and out of overdrive(auto)with my foot in it to hold that speed. The H. O. would hold 65mph in sixth gear and I had power to accelerate any time i wanted to! That was enough to sway me to order the H. O. I do understand now that the 5 speeds and autos are rated at 235hp and 460 ft lbs. As with any decision you make you will have to decide if its worth it or not. Your on the right track though by doing RESEARCH. As far as the fueling boxes i have read that the H. 0. dosn't respond as well as the ETC. But bigger Injectors Really turn it into a BEAST. . Good Luck with your decision... .

 

[HC]

You can look at Rob's mods, and tell he has researched this more than me. Back when I was looking at the VA, I think I read something to the effect that a VA box + HO = more HP than an ETC + VA, but, I have no doubt that what Rob said about the other boxes is correct. I shouldn't have extrapolated my answer to include "all" boxes, and I might even be wrong for the VA. Just 'cause I read it once wouldn't make it so.



As to the six speed, slap me for that one too. I went to the Dodge site, and again it appears this has changed since the last time I looked. The six speed now appears to be available only with the HO.



Live and Learn...



[and thanks to those who corrected. I have tried to edit my previous post to remove the incorrect information. I admit my mistakes, but no sense leaving the incorrect stuff up there to confuse others]

 

[Pete Peterson]

Don, your getting some real good opinions here and they are all from experience. My personal experience between the auto/etc combo and the ETH/DEE is that the HO motor un- modified just really out pulls the auto ETC motor. Now that doesn't mean that the ETC won't pull it just works alittle harder and is not quite as fast under heavy load. Cost wise between the ETH/DEE and the Auto/ ETC is about $40. 00, more expensive motor(ETH) cheaper transmission(DEE). A couple of dollars worth of goodies and the auto/ETC will really perform, but like posted above, stock for stock the ETH/DEE is the best pulling Dodge Cummins to date... ... . Pete

 

[Archive]

Originally posted by HC

slap me

LOL... HC, if we got slapped every time we made a mistake, we would all be pretty darn sore.



On a different thread, I posted an apology to Steve St. Laurent and the rest of the TDR just a few days ago!

 

[DRR-24V]

Sorry Guy's, I guess I didn't do my homework. Joe Donnelly answered all my questions on page 49 in the #29 TDR. The HO engine and 6 spd trans is the outfit I want. (for my needs) I drove RoSmith's 3500 with this engine and it HAUL's. I like it !

 

[Ted Constantine]

I got very confused with the VA issue when I was looking at boxes. I think the issue was the two different versions of the VA. People were unhappy with the descision to switch to the HO version with there new trucks because the original version of the VA was producing much more performance on the ETH than on the ETC and much much more than the HO version of the VA. Given how confused I was at the time I might be wrong on this.

I have (as you see in my sig) the HO and I love it. I personally perfer a manual for the control. It is not fast off the line as was said earlier because of the time to shift. That being said I have found very few cars that could take it off the line even with the manual. I put 275s and an EZ edge in it and I am very happy with the combo. I also have a southbend clutch sitting in the garage for when, not if, it is needed. I personally do not see any negative to the HO and I love the transmission. I would say if you perfer an auto get the etc other wise go for the eth.



Ted



Just thought I would add that having driven MassDiesel's truck with Bill k. 's transmission upgrades, dd2's, ez, bluechip box. The auto can be an absolutely awsome choice.

 

[Ranger Dick]

Don't forget the HO comes with the supposedly better HX35 turbo. Unless DC started putting these on the ETC finally.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Ranger Dick

Don't forget the HO comes with the supposedly better HX35 turbo. Unless DC started putting these on the ETC finally.

HX35 is not just on the ETH motor. The ETC 5 speeds have it as well. Onlt the 2001 autos got shafted with the HY35, and I believe the 2001. 5's still have the HY35, I'll check my friends truck when he gets back from KC (bought it last week). I do remember seeing "Void" stickers on the injection pump connector and the ECM connection on his truck when i glanced under the hood.

 

[Pete Peterson]

Kat, as recently as last week the ETC motors all had HY's on the lot... ... ... . Pete

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Pete Peterson

Kat, as recently as last week the ETC motors all had HY's on the lot... ... ... . Pete

Even the 5 speeds? I haven't been to the lot recently... ... . (not since I ordered the Mustang)... if thats true thats gotts suck. Big time.



Thanks for the correction... ... . Dingbat

(I can't get over that one hehe)

 

[DRR-24V]

Guy's,

After getting my Rig washed I decided the only reason I was looking at new trucks was the 6 spd Trans. I have decided to just keep my truck. The cost is about the same if you Bomb the Auto or the Standard. I will keep what I have and spend the money on Bombing the Trans. I already have the TST #6 plate (250HP- 635 Torque), the Pac Brake and Guages. Take a look at these photos and see if you don't agree with my decision. My Truck Is Sanitary. !!



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