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Hi all. I was contacted by the folks at Horton and asked to find out some info from the membership. It seems that there may be a chance that it is possible that Horton will greatly reduce support of the EC450 fan clutch for the Dodge Ram. Here is your chance to give some direct feedback to those folks on their clutch unit.

I have placed a Poll on the homepage that I would like you all to answer up on AND use this thread to say how you feel about the Horton Unit, it's merits, your buying plans, etc.

I will be stopping this thread and the poll around 6/14, so sound off now, while you have the chance.

Thanks!

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Rob Spading -- TDR Webmaster
1996 3500 CCab, 4X4, Black, Rickson 19. 5", Mag-Hytec Rear/Trans covers, Primeloc, TST 230/605, Westach Gauges, JRE 4" Exhaust, BD Valve Body & TC, American Toolbox/Tank -- -- Coming soon ... BD Brake, Torqloc, Pressure Lock, Espar Heater.
 
I was considering the purchase of one of these just after the purchase of my Ram although, after considering the expense as well as the possible payback in enhanced mileage, I elected to cool my heels. I had a resurgence of enthusiasm early this year until I read about two members experiencing problems with theirs. The VERY LAST thing I want to do is add something that may prove to be unreliable! Additionally, I have always wondered if the Horton fan actually reduced performance because it runs so seldom thereby, reducing the effect the fan has in helping draw air through the intercooler (somewhat of a push/pull effect at speed). I also don't really see it as being as useful on the 24v engines as it was (is) on the 12v engines. Just my $. 02

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'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4, (BLACK) SLT Sport, ISB, LWB, 3. 54 LSD, A/T, Glasstite Vision II canopy, Line-X bed liner, 285/75R16 BFG A/Ts on 16x8 M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares, front and rear NW Custom stainless steel/rubber mud flaps, Mag-Hytec diff. cover and trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Mopar tow hooks, Reese Titan V hitch, Jordan Research Ultima 2020 trailer brake controller, VDO Vision gauges, '00 Sport grille, '00 Sport headlights with PIAA Super White 9007/9004 bulbs, 4-2-7+4 Brite-Box, PIAA Dual Sport 900 auxiliary lights, BD exhaust brake and TorqLoc, Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, Bosch 275 hp. injectors, VA CPC, DD Boost Module, Banks Stinger wastegate actuator, BLACK '00 valve cover, Banks Stinger 4" dia. stainless steel exhaust system, BD LV V10/Cummins hybrid TC and valve body, BD modified transmission front pump and PressureLoc, plus many other trick modifications
 
Since I have a Horton on my truck, and I may be one of the owners whom John mentioned about having a problem with it, I'd like to say a few things.
I think the Horton fan clutch and an exhaust brake (I recommend the BD) are the two best accessories you can add to these trucks.
For those of you who are not familiar with the name, Horton makes fan clutches for over-the-road trucks, and they are very high quality, heavy duty items that are made to last. They're standard equipment on all big rigs. People often have the mistaken notion that it is an electric fan, which it is not. The fan clutch is electrically activated, similar to the clutch on your air conditioning compressor, but the fan is still powered by the engine rotation, not by an electric motor. The Dodge OEM fan has a viscous coupling that thickens when it gets hot, causing the fan to engage, whereas the Horton has a sensor that monitors the coolant temperature and another one that monitors the pressure in the air conditioning system. The fan is completely freewheeling when it is not engaged, so it doesn't consume horsepower.
When you buy the Horton fan clutch, you get a replacement fan along with it. This fan has more blades than the factory fan, and when it comes on, it moves some serious air! An added benefit to having an electrically acitivated fan clutch is that you get a switch on the dash that allows you to turn on the fan anytime you want to. I do that when pulling into a parking lot or gas station after a long drive, to help draw off heat and lower the temperature under the hood before I shut the engine off.
In normal driving conditions, the fan will almost never come on. Why? Because you don't need it. I used to live in the Los Angeles area, and even on hot summer days with the air conditioning on, the fan would only engage when I was sitting at a red light. Even then, it would only engage for a few seconds at a time and then shut off. That was all that was necessary to reduce the pressure in the a/c system. Sometimes it would be on as I would take off from a red light, but then the ram air effect would take over, and the fan would shut off before I was up to maybe 10 mph.
There have only been a few times that the fan came on because of high coolant temperatures, and those times were all in 100+F degree temperatures on mountain passes in the summer. I remember going to Bakersfield in late July for a funeral. I insisted that my folks and I use my truck instead of their car to make the trip. Those of you familiar with the infamous "Grapevine" mountain pass on I-5 know there are big yellow signs saying "WARNING - to avoid overheating, turn of air conditioning for the next (xx) miles" (I don't remember the number). In the summer, you will always see broken down cars on this grade, with their hoods up and steam pouring out. But there we were, flying along at 70mph, with the a/c on full blast, as comfortable as we could be in our dressy clothes. The outside temperature read in the 100's for the entire trip, once as high as 114F in Bakersfield!

I mentioned that I did have a problem, allow me to explain. One of the fan blades contacted a bracket that runs down the back of the radiator. This bracket holds the wiring harness. One of the fan blades bent completely backwards and looked like a taco shell. I had to buy a replacement fan, and when I went to install it, I discovered the reason why the blade hit the bracket. The two upper radiator bolts were loose, and I could rock the radiator back and forth. I had an accident last summer, and the truck was in the body shop for front end work. I have a feeling they forgot to tighten the upper radiator bolts. So, anyway, that problem was no fault of the Horton clutch or fan.
I hope this doesn't read like a commercial, but I'm very happy with this product and highly recommend it, especially if you tow something. BTW, I should mention my truck is a 5-speed, so I don't have a transmission cooler.
Andy
 
I've thought of buying one, but I'm under the impression that on the 24v the Horton runs nearly all the time when it's warm outside -- thereby reducing performance since when engaged it's more of a drag then the stock fan. I don't know it that's true or just someone's isolated bad experience -- so if I can be dis-proven on this point I'll reconsider. 
 
Since Rob posted, and both Andy and Mark posted, I find it hard to resist the suggestion that perhaps this should be moved to the products catagory. ... but I don't want to start a moderator war #ad
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That said, I never knew what this product was until I saw this string. It sounds like something I could use, if the 24V issue is resolved. Perhaps rather than reducing support Horton should increase advertising... maybe they could start by buying more banner space. Money for the site and visibility for their product.

Jonathan

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2000 Ram 2500 QC 4x4 SLT with Cummins and 5 spd transmisssion.
Stock so far but considering bedliner and louvered gate... then?

[This message has been edited by JMFVet (edited 06-05-2000). ]
 
I took the survey but did not find the choice I wanted to submit:
"investigation thus far does not support the cost vs benefit for my application, especially since the truck comes with a mechanical clutch that seems to work well enough"

Originally I was hot to get one of these, but never found enough evidence to back up the cost (again, for my usage).
 
Andy, you are correct, you are one of the two individuals I was refering to as having had experienced problems with their Horton Fan Clutch. I can't remember the name of the other person however, I remember he had a '98. 5 24v, 4x2 RC(?), Emerald Green over Light Driftwood, NW Custom mud flaps (Cummins block lettering with the Cummins "C" in the center of the 18" wide rear flaps), several Aero Tanks and he was one of the first to purchase the Rickson's. I also believe he lives in New Jersey or New York. Andy, I know you remember who I'm talking about. He used to post ALL the time on the CDW BB and in the early days of the TDR BB. I really can't remember the nature of his problem with the Horton (I drew a blank in the archives) although, I can guarantee you it will bother me until I figure it out (both the persons name as well as the problem). LOL
 
Hey Rob and Andy, I've got an idea, after looking at the Horton poll data, most favor the possibility of ownership if the price was more reasonable. What about contacting Horton directly with the proposition of having a group price submitted to the membership? If they reduced the price of their fan clutch the same percentage Espar reduced their hydronic heater (a 40% reduction!) I would bet almost everyone on this BB would buy one! Heck I almost went for the Espar deal myself and I live in Western Washington where it only gets below freezing maybe 30 days a year, if that. If I lived almost anywhere else, I would have absolutely jumped all over that deal! Bottom line, let's talk numbers!
 
Funny that this survey should come up now... .
I just sent Andy P. an email this morning asking if he would buy another Horton. Andy - I guess you can ignore the email since you answered my questions in the post #ad


Gotta agree w/John that the group purchase price is the decision maker. At around $650 (I think??) it is a really tough sell. For some people it just doesn't compute - possibly myself included.

I ran electric fans on my Jeep CJ-7 and actually removed the fan from my old truck when I lived in San Luis Obispo (no traffic/no sitting around idling). Removing the mechanical fan load made the biggest difference in both power/acceleration & noise. I have/had 4bbls & headers/dual exhausts on both previous vehicles.

Brian

[This message has been edited by Brian Meadows (edited 06-05-2000). ]
 
It seems pretty much unanimous that the Horton is a high quality product, but the Ram cooling system (at least the years with copper radiator) is so overengineered that we don't need it badly. Driving habits seem to affect mpg enough that we can't see a significant gain with the Horton the way many of us drive #ad

All that aside, I think it is just hard to justify replacing something that works for something better that also works.
If a group purchase results in significant savings (say, $1-2 hundred below the Scheid $675) I will buy one anyway. My poor old sickly Ram has been good to me this year and "deserves" a new toy. The stock clutch can't last forever, so I will just "pretend" it is preventive maintenance. #ad
 
Still haven't picked up my truck but the Horton fan is on my list of likely mods. A price reduction would make it very inticing.
 
I have had my Horton for 9 months and I will say it's a very good product, something that sould come stock. Is it worth $700 ---- If you tow alot yes, If you just gota have it yes . if you completely cover your radiator when it's below 0 yes but for gas savings no. If I had to pick between a Powermax and the horton the Powermax would WIN. I guess my vote could go either way.....
 
I thought I wanted one for a long time but after some serious soul searching decided I have almost nothing to gain from a Horton. I don't use my truck much in the winter - 700 miles last winter,and only drove it on the nice days. I normally don't like viscous clutches. My experience with them is they usually don't engage enough until the temp is already to high. The one on my truck works perfect and if it ain't broke - I'm not fixing it. Craig

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97 3/4Ton, 2WD, 5SP, #11 Plate, 14 Housing, AF942M Air filter, Gutted Cat, 4"From Turbo, Shortened Frame, Custom Bed, HEY FORDBOY POWERSTROKE THIS!
 
Hey... When I click, double click, triple click, and turbo click... Nothing happens! The "Take Survey" will not do anything. I want to put in my $0. 02 #ad


Craig
 
I'm having the same problem, click and nothing happens #ad
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'98 4x4 12V QCab Auto (ready to BOMB)
 
JMFVet,

You might be interested in noting that this product is for the 12 and 24V trucsk so this placement is correct -- at least I think it is. It was my understanding that these are not available for the 1st gen truck. I could be wrong.



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Rob Spading -- TDR Webmaster
1996 3500 CCab, 4X4, Black, Rickson 19. 5", Mag-Hytec Rear/Trans covers, Primeloc, TST 230/605, Westach Gauges, JRE 4" Exhaust, BD Valve Body & TC, American Toolbox/Tank -- -- Coming soon ... BD Brake, Torqloc, Pressure Lock, Espar Heater.
 
Disclaimer: I have NO firsthand knowledge of a 24v problem. Don't want to disparage the product. I've heard someone complain of the fan being on almost all the time in warm/hot conditions in stop and go traffic. Can't say if it's an actual problem or not. If no-one else complains about it I'll log the "problem" in the isolated incident category and not give it any more thought.
 
I would like to have one but I just couldn't justify the cost for 9 horsepower. The stock fan does the job as is. Not enough return on investment there.

Matt

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90 W250, 5-speed, 3. 54 gears, 16 cm2 housing, tach, pyro, and boost gauges.
 
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