How does the Cummins emission fine affect us as owners?

[CoastyAV8R]

Cummins to pay $1.675 billion penalty over engine emission defeat device in Ram trucks | Automotive News (autonews.com)

 

[AH64ID]

I’m trying to figure out what recall is tied to this. It’s not the Y43 particulate matter one, since that was only 2022’s and the rare late 2021.

The article says they have already been recalled, but I haven’t seen a recall covering that many years for anything dealing with NOx.

 

[Topzide]

Baffling since it says that it's 2013 - up! And it takes till now? It really has a high smell factor with the current climate of EV push!

 

[Diesel85]

Baffling since it says that it's 2013 - up! And it takes till now? It really has a high smell factor with the current climate of EV push!

The government hates us diesel owners.

The truth is, the diesel engine has always been hated because it can be ran on very green bio fuels and 100% renewable fuels without digging deep into the earth without too much negated effects on performance (hp and torque numbers).

I don't know how else to explain it, but why can a modern 2023 gasoline truck able to have a sooty black tailpipe, but a diesel can't?

We really need someone smart in office to throw out this EV nonsense, and be realistic and push for bio-fueled diesel engine technology to compliment gas engines.

I do not recommend anyone trying this at home... but I've run diesels in my enclosed garage for a long time (30+ minutes) without ventilation and the CO levels didn't even reach critical levels. 5-10 minutes running a gas engine can be lethal as CO levels were extremely elevated. That alone makes diesels safer around people and better for the environment.

The modern diesel engine is efficient, clean, and most importantly much safer around people and animals.

 

[Signal73]

The government hates us diesel owners.

The truth is, the diesel engine has always been hated because it can be ran on very green bio fuels and 100% renewable fuels without digging deep into the earth without too much negated effects on performance (hp and torque numbers).

I don't know how else to explain it, but why can a modern 2023 gasoline truck able to have a sooty black tailpipe, but a diesel can't?

We really need someone smart in office to throw out this EV nonsense, and be realistic and push for bio-fueled diesel engine technology to compliment gas engines.

I do not recommend anyone trying this at home... but I've run diesels in my enclosed garage for a long time (30+ minutes) without ventilation and the CO levels didn't even reach critical levels. 5-10 minutes running a gas engine can be lethal as CO levels were extremely elevated. That alone makes diesels safer around people and better for the environment.

The modern diesel engine is efficient, clean, and most importantly much safer around people and animals.

The 7.3 gas Ford tailpipe is reminiscent of a old 12 valve when you look at it. I was pretty surprised at the amount of black inside, first ive seen that on a gas engine (properly running). Maybe that’s why there’s talk of a gas equivalent to a DPF in the works stateside.

 

[Diesel85]

The 7.3 gas Ford tailpipe is reminiscent of a old 12 valve when you look at it. I was pretty surprised at the amount of black inside, first ive seen that on a gas engine (properly running). Maybe that’s why there’s talk of a gas equivalent to a DPF in the works stateside.

Yep. A GPF, Gasoline Particulate Filter.

Look more carefully. The EcoBoost 3.5l that Ford has is notorious for black tail pipes.

 

[CRHardie]

I received a n emissions recall in the mail yesterday for my 2015

 

[Cummins12V98]

I received a n emissions recall in the mail yesterday for my 2015

HO or SO?

 

[Shekept]

I'm waiting for the class action lawsuits which should be forthcoming. It didn't go well for VW.

"The company (VW) previously agreed to pay more than $20 billion in criminal and civil penalties and settlements to U.S. federal regulators, states, dealers and owners. Worldwide, it has paid out a total of more than $30 billion." Reuters

 

[NIsaacs]

I received a n emissions recall in the mail yesterday for my 2015

What does it say? What number is it?

 

[CRHardie]

What does it say? What number is it?

 

[CRHardie]

HO or SO?

From what I have found researching there was no HO in 2015. I honestly haven’t payed attention to horsepower ratings for the past several years because I planned on keeping my 06 for a lot longer than I did

 

[NIsaacs]

From what I have found researching there was no HO in 2015. I honestly haven’t payed attention to horsepower ratings for the past several years because I planned on keeping my 06 for a lot longer than I did

Correct, HO/SO only applies to the 3500. All 2500's in '15 were SO.

 

[AH64ID]

From what I have found researching there was no HO in 2015. I honestly haven’t payed attention to horsepower ratings for the past several years because I planned on keeping my 06 for a lot longer than I did

The current variants of HO/SO started in 2013 when the Aisin became available in the 3500 pickup. Before than 2004 was the last year there was SO/HO, aside from manual/automatic ratings.

So it was available in 2015, just not on 2500’s.

Fill out your signature and it will be easier for folks to see what you have.

 

[06 Dodge]

I checked my online Ram garage a while ago and see no notice for the 67A recall for my 22, what I don't get is its said it the programing only effected some engine so I guess its still a wait and see thing of what will really happen...

 

[NIsaacs]

I checked my online Ram garage a while ago and see no notice for the 67A recall for my 22, what I don't get is its said it the programing only effected some engine so I guess its still a wait and see thing of what will really happen...

My guess is, the 67A is for the '13-'18 trucks. Since the '19+ is a different engine, it will get a different recall number. It is also interesting to note, the '24 is not on the list.

If I get one for my '21, it will probably gather dust. Not interested in them taking away hp that i already don't have

 

[AH64ID]

My guess is, the 67A is for the '13-'18 trucks. Since the '19+ is a different engine, it will get a different recall number. It is also interesting to note, the '24 is not on the list.

If I get one for my '21, it will probably gather dust. Not interested in them taking away hp that i already don't have

If ‘24’s aren’t effected and have the same power advertisement I doubt we lose any power.

But at this point it’s all speculation anyhow.

 

[Topzide]

What are the chances of it being " " CA trucks since CA is in on this? I know CA wants there specs to be different from the rest of "us". The dust should settle after the first of the year when all details are known. Till then, we're all guessing.

 

[Diesel85]

If ‘24’s aren’t effected and have the same power advertisement I doubt we lose any power.

But at this point it’s all speculation anyhow.

For the fun of it, I was poking around on the NHTSA website and going to a few local dealer's websites and copy/pasting the new truck VIN numbers in to see if there are any recalls. Some brand new 2023's come back with some recalls, and from what I've found no recalls yet on any 2024 models yet.

 

[Ozymandias]

Must be a very stupid small thing.
And like said, some "defeat devices" are perfectly fine, but EPA wants to know them all. They keep the engine/after treatment from damage/self-destruction.
There is a lot of misunderstanding about these out there.