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I have a 2003 Cummins HO and I have been running synthetic oil since my first oil change at 3750 miles. I now have 13,400 miles and changed the oil again at 11,000 miles (Again with synthetic). I was told I can go between 7500 and 10,000 miles... ... does that seem correct? I live in Chicago and do a lot of city driving and a decent amount of highway driving. One more question..... What is an oil analysis, where do I get one and how much nare they? Sorry for the stupid question, but this is my first diesel. Thanks :D
 
If you are using a "high quality" synthetic, 7 to 10,000 miles is very acheivable. I would consider an oil analysis if you want to go any further than 10,000 miles, unless you are using a good by-pass oil filter as well.



I use the Amsoil 15W-40 Synthetic along with their "by-pass" oil system, and installed in my 2003 at 8,500 miles. I did an oil analysis at 18,700 miles (10,22 on the oil) and ALL was well. Report said:"NO CORRECTIVE ACTION REQUIRED, OIL IS SUITABLE FOR CONTINUED USE, RE-SAMPLE AT NEXT REGULAR INTERVAL"! I just turned in another sample today with 29,500 miles on the truck (21,000 on the oil).



Will report when I get the results from the oil lab. You can obtain an oil analysis by calling 1-800-726-5400, which is a very good oil analysis lab, called "Cleveland Technical Center".



Oil analysis is a "tool" that one can do by sending in a used oil sample to an oil analysis lab. The lab analyzes the oil and reports back to you their findings.



In general there are two different classes of analytical tests, those that measure the physical properties of the oil, and those that measure the level of contamination.



Physical properties are a good indication of the condition of the oil, and are often used to determine oil drain intervals. Some of the most common physical property tests are: viscosity, total acid number (TAN) and total base number (TBN).



Kinematic Viscosity (ASTM D-445) determined at 40 Deg. C and/or 100 Deg. C is a measure of the flow rate of an oil in relation to time, and is expressed in centistokes (cSt) 1 square mm/1 second = 1 cSt. This data is used to assign an SAE grade to an oil. Example: 40 grade oil has to fall between 12. 50 cSt @100 C minimum, to 16. 29 cSt @ 100 C maximum. Normally a 25% increase in viscosity is a warning that the oil is reaching the end of its useful life.



TAN (ASTM D974) determines the level of acidity by mixing in an indicator solution and then adding potassium hydroxide (KOH) until the solution changes color. The acidity is expressed as the milligrams of KOH required to neutralize a gram of oil (mgKOH/g). TBN (ASTM D2896) determines the level of alkalinity in an oil, which indicates the ability of the oil to continue to neutralize corrosive acids. The test measures the change in electrical conductivity. A higher TBN oil is considered better in neutralizing acids than a lower TBN oil. It is best to measure the change in TBN from new oil of the same type and brand you are using. The TBN of engine oil may be obtained from data sheets, or measured by analyzing a sample of new oil. Some manufacturers, such as Amsoil put the TBN number on the labels. A 50% reduction in TBN is a warning that the additives are becoming depleted and an oil change should be considered.



Common contamination tests include: water content, fuel dilution, and dirt ingestion and wear metals analysis. Water contamination can usually be detected visually, but a water content test (ASTM D1744)) is sometimes used as well. Fuel dilution is serious in that it can significantly reduce oil viscosity and increase engine wear. Since most engine oils gradually increase in viscosity over their useful life, a noticeable reduction in viscosity is a strong indication of fuel dilution.



Wear metals are metals used in the manufacture of the engine that will wear in normal use, such as Iron (Fe), Chromium (Cr), Lead (Pb), Copper (Cu), Tin (Sn), Aluminum (Al), Nickel (Ni), Silver (Ag). Analysis of the types and levels of wear metals can be used to determine which engine components are wearing and if the level of wear is becoming critical. Most tests measure wear metal levels spectrographically. The most common is emission spectroscopy. In this procedure a small oil sample is burned in a high temperature flame, and the equipment detects different levels of light emitted. The equipment is calibrated to simultaneously measure the emitted light from as many as 18 different wear metals and contaminants.

Another wear metal test called the atomic absorption analysis will provide the greatest level of accuracy for each element examined, but is more costly as well as time consuming as it requires one pass through the machine for each element tested.

Either of these two wear metal tests are expressed in (PPM) Parts Per Million by weight.



Dirt is probably the most common engine oil contaminent, and high levels can lead to excessive engine wear. The most effective way to detect dust or dirt contamination is to monitor silicon levels by spectrochemical analysis, though some tests can indicate total solids by centrifugal separation or filtering through a fine membrane filter. Contamination levels will vary according to the type of engine and the application, with off-highway equipment often having the highest levels. Again, it is important to measure the change in silicon or solids levels, rather than look at any individual analysis.



Each engine manufacturer has data on the “normal” wear of each of the elements for a given oil drain interval. Example. Cummins, Iron (Fe) 50, GMC 6. 2 Iron (Fe) 250, Mack Iron (Fe) 150. Remember in reviewing a report, ask yourself; is the elemental level proportional to the time on the oil? Example: 6,000 miles on oil, Iron at 25 PPM is OK for the above engines. 12,000 miles on the same oil, Iron at 40 PPM is still OK. 3,000 miles on the oil, Iron at 40 PPM would be poor. Still within limits, but poor.



Additive levels may also be measured with spectrographic metals analysis. Normal metals analysis will detect the levels of zinc, phosphorous, calcium and barium, which are common elements in most additive packages. A 50% reduction in parts-per-million of these elements indicates the oil should be changed.



Most labs will compare the wear trends to similar operations using the same type equipment in order to more reliably predict component failure. Because of this, it is important and valuable to work with a lab that has years of experience, as well as hundreds of thousands samples in their files to compare data.



Periodic oil analysis is an important element in extending oil drain intervals and prolonging engine life, however looking at trends is the best solution to achieving this.



Hope this helps to answer your questions, and congratulations on your "first" Diesel powered pickup.



Wayne

amsoilman
 
on my last truck (2001 HO) I went 20,000 miles per oil change, just using stock filters (no bypass). I sampled every 10,000 mi and always came back great. Did this for 80K.



This truck I am going 15K changes but plan on a bypass at some point. Haven't made up my mind how far I will go after I add bypass though.



Vaughn
 
I thought running Synthetic before 15000 miles was a no no. Won't let the rings seat as qickly and dealys breakin. I know it says something about it also in the owners manual.
 
on my last truck (2001 HO) I went 20,000 miles per oil change, just using stock filters (no bypass). I sampled every 10,000 mi and always came back great. Did this for 80K.



I have never heard of anyone going this far!!! I though I was bold going 7-8k on my 94. (oil was very black) Never tested.



I will go every 5k on the new one, at least for a while. After break-in at 15-20k might go to 7,500 with synthetic.
 
First couple of oil changes at 3k each. then 5k. This was on Mopar 15w40. Next change will be at 15k on speedo and changing then to Amsoil 15w40 and will change it every 12k from then on. My 1993 W250 I used Amsoil 15w40 and changed every 11k.
 
Yes I use Rotella. It's easy to buy and return the used oil to the auto parts store. I change it every 7500 since new with 28,011 miles on the truck tonight. If it's good enough for 1,114,000 + miles on a '94 used to tow travel trailers all over the USA, it's good enough for my truck. How can anything else possibly be better?:D
 
I agree... . I've found Rotella-T at a local Tractor Supply Company for around $5. 98 per gallon... . cheaper than Wal-Mart. I changed my oil first at 5,000 then at 11,000... next one due around 16,000 and I may even wait a little longer if it still looks clean. My '03 doesn't dirty up the oil as fast as my '00 or '98 did.

Greg
 
I have never heard of anyone going this far!!! I though I was bold going 7-8k on my 94. (oil was very black) Never tested.



Well, I guess you won't beleive me regarding my old '94 CTD. I had 150,000 miles, and it only had one oil drain after the install of the Amsoil 15W-40 and the by-bass at 8,500 miles. BTW, the oil did not need changing when it was changed, but I changed it only because I wanted to try the Amsoil 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel oil.



Wayne

amsoilman
 
Wow, that is amazing! I have heard stories like that from a few people I work with. I was getting paranoid about going 7500 miles between oil changes, but now I feel a lot more comfortable.

Thanks everyone for your feedback... . Keep on truckin'.
 
Got a buddy who stopped using Rotella-t. His WHOLE family complained about the SMELL. His 5 year old said DAD WHATS THAT SMELL! He said it took to darn long for it to go away. Tried it TWICE and switched to Delco whatever. :{
 
To me Delo stinks just as much as the rest of them. I just tell the family to quit breathing:D I don't think you can get away from the smell with any oil...
 
I suggest reading the owner's manual and going by the factory recommendations. They are the people who built the truck and provide the warranty. I figure they know what's necessary. For the HO, under operating conditions most people encounter, the 7500 mile interval is apporpriate. An oil related question brings out about as many different opinions as there are people who post responses. JOIBO!



As far as the Mopar PN for engine oil, why would you care? If their oil prices are anything like oil and fuel filter prices, be prepared for sticker shock.
 
I just changed my oil to Amsoil 15-40 this last week when I hit 15,000. I have been using Delo and send in an oil sample from the Delo sample after 5k of service. Haven't got it back yet but it should give me a good baseline and comparison to the amsoil I will be testing at 5k mi of service. I use fleetguard stratapore filter and am planning on changing the filter every 5k or so. I know its probably overkill but I'm more worried about dirt contamination than oil breakdown/failure.
 
FWIW, I had a '92 3/4 4x4 in high school, before I knew what I had. But anyhow, it had 230K on it using Delo 400 from the first oil change, and every 3500-4000 miles and never had a problem. We have 4 big tractors and a couple of them have a WHOLE LOT of hours only using Delo and no problems. I'm about to change the oil for the first time and I think I am just going to use Delo 400 and change it every 3500-4000 miles and use a Baldwin filter.
 
What effect does having your oil tested, and not changing per factory requirements have on your warranty?



If it doesn't effect the warranty, assuming you keep the paperwork for the oil test, this is something I'd be very interested in. Otherwise, I'll have to wait until I pass that 100000 mile mark :)
 
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