How many years has Dodge used a TIPM?

[Motorhead]

As the title states, How many years has dodge used the Total Integrated Power Management or TIPM module in our trucks?

Is it in the non diesel 1500-3500 trucks also?



Is it also being used in the 4th gen trucks???



My biggest question is W H Y???



Gentlemen... START your Brains! :-laf

 

[Prairie Dog]

Started in 2006 with all Dodge trucks. Sadly it's still being used and it or something worse will always be used.
The benefits (not to me but. . ) is that Dodge can use fewer and smaller wires because all functions are multiplexed. That is, a switch that would normally cause something to directly function now only has to pass a small digital signal to a computer (TIPM in this case) which then actuates whatever accessory was called upon. Not only that but many different switches will be on the same wire or wires (called a "bus") but cause different things to happen because each switch and accessory have their own "address". This is why one person can have a problem where when he opens the door and expects the dome light to come on, maybe the turn signal activates too. It's because there's a failure of a mux in the TIPM and it's associating things with each other that shouldn't be.
This is also why it's dangerous to go probing a bundle of wires. The digital circuits operate at very low levels ~ maybe 3 or 5VDC (there are even smaller logic levels in some cases). Grounding these digital signals won't normally hurt them but applying higher voltage, like 12v, will kill them immediately.
So they took something that was nearly idiot proof and made it complicated as he!!.

 

[TCDiesel]

Started in 2006 with all Dodge trucks. Sadly it's still being used and it or something worse will always be used.

The benefits (not to me but. . ) is that Dodge can use fewer and smaller wires because all functions are multiplexed. That is, a switch that would normally cause something to directly function now only has to pass a small digital signal to a computer (TIPM in this case) which then actuates whatever accessory was called upon. Not only that but many different switches will be on the same wire or wires (called a "bus") but cause different things to happen because each switch and accessory have their own "address". This is why one person can have a problem where when he opens the door and expects the dome light to come on, maybe the turn signal activates too. It's because there's a failure of a mux in the TIPM and it's associating things with each other that shouldn't be.

This is also why it's dangerous to go probing a bundle of wires. The digital circuits operate at very low levels ~ maybe 3 or 5VDC (there are even smaller logic levels in some cases). Grounding these digital signals won't normally hurt them but applying higher voltage, like 12v, will kill them immediately.

So they took something that was nearly idiot proof and made it complicated as he!!.

X2... Make sure all tow unit(s) have their OWN circuit board and NOT 1 fuse is above 10amps... If You need additional lighting for the Unit ABOVE 10 amps,Run it form the batteries to the to tow unit with its own Plug and switch. If you don't it will be $$$$ repair. This also applies to ANY additional power unit install in the truck. . eventually it will cause problems$$$$. This applies to all TIPM, the PDC in 03/05 has a weak circuit board and will fail when the power demand is above 10amps in some circuits. Tow units that demand above 10amps in all 03/05 PDC will fry 46/47 terminal remove the factory 15amp and replace with 10amp.

 

[CKelley1]

x3 if you tow use a isolator. i am going to try to post how to make one

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[Prairie Dog]

Very nice Mr. Kelly. I don't have a TIPM but I guess I need to add a relay to my trailer running lights since I must have 12+ amps running through that circuit.

 

[rbattelle]

I thought the TIPM was introduced in MY 2005, which would've been late CY 2004, no?

In any event, I read something awhile ago that suggested that fuel economy standards and the desire for a more electric car are diametrically opposed. If you want to improve fuel economy, reducing the size of the wiring harness is good.

As long as the TIPM works perfectly and remains completely stock, it is technically a "better" system than the traditional fuseblock (depending on your definition of "better").

Problem is, faults happen and people like to modify their trucks. That's bad. And heaven help you if something does go wrong - the system is virtually impossible to debug without a DRB-III or StarScan ($$$$).

Anybody know whether Ford and Chevy are using something like a TIPM now?

-Ryan

 

[JFought]

some one told me that Chevy does a similar thing as well. the saved about 200 lbs in just wiring weight alone. i prefer to spend extra on fuel than fixing this piece of crap design!!!

 

[rbattelle]

i prefer to spend extra on fuel than fixing this piece of crap design!!!

I agree, but we don't really have a choice. CAFE standards and all...



-Ryan

 

[TCDiesel]

The 06+ is not more then MAYBE 15lbs lighter in the Wiring form 03-05... Yes the bus needs to be faster, but the 06+ is weak in all component's related to B+ or bus.

 

[seafish]

I thought the TIPM was introduced in MY 2005, which would've been late CY 2004, no?



As long as the TIPM works perfectly and remains completely stock, it is technically a "better" system than the traditional fuseblock (depending on your definition of "better").



Problem is, faults happen and people like to modify their trucks. That's bad. And heaven help you if something does go wrong - the system is virtually impossible to debug without a DRB-III or StarScan ($$$$).





-Ryan

Bringing this to the top to help me decide if using Motorhead's TIPM Saver --



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...30059-my-tipm-saver-tow-plug.html#post2221819



is something that I should due to protect the trailer supply circuits on my May 2005 manufactured truck. I KNOW that there are wiring differences between the 2005 and 2006 trucks, but I am still pretty sure that my truck has a TIPM.



PLEASE help me to clarify this issue !!

 

[TCDiesel]

YOU have PDC technically (Power Distribution Center) you either have to remove all the 15amp fuses that supply power to the pulled unit (Replace with 10amp) except BRAKE, if 10 amp is NOT enough Power either add correct circuit board to pulled unit or protect truck.

 

[seafish]

YOU have PDC technically (Power Distribution Center) you either have to remove all the 15amp fuses that supply power to the pulled unit (Replace with 10amp) except BRAKE, if 10 amp is NOT enough Power either add correct circuit board to pulled unit or protect truck.

Thanks... looks like I'll go with one of Motorheads TIPM Savers.

 

[rbattelle]

Thanks... looks like I'll go with one of Motorheads TIPM Savers.

Wait, TC is right, I think if you merely replace the 15A fuses with 10A fuses you'll protect the system without having to buy a custom TIPM saver.



Is that wrong?



-Ryan

 

[seafish]

Wait, TC is right, I think if you merely replace the 15A fuses with 10A fuses you'll protect the system without having to buy a custom TIPM saver.



Is that wrong?



-Ryan

OK guys, I apoligize about my confusion, but it till goes on.



I looked in my truck today, and on the side of my "fuse box" located at the D. S. front of the engine bay, is an OEM label that reads "Integrated Power Module" , with a part # that I unfortunately cannot read. When I look up the fuse/relay box on my 2005 Parts Manual CD, it shows the picture below, and calls it, like TC does, the Power Distribution Center.



The one in my truck DOES look like the one in the parts manual, if that means anything, and DOES have relays in it , and also uses fuses for the trailer circuits.



So now I am pretty sure that I have the PDC, not the TIPM, and do NOT need to buy MOtorheads TIPM Saver if I simply swap the 15A trailer fuses to 10 amp fuses.



My question remains this, with the PDC what happens if I plug someone elses trailer that is wired differently into my oem trailer plug. Wil it damage the PDC, or simply blow the fuses.



THANKS for all of the help and clarification. I hope that this thread helps others too !!!



Here is the pic from my parts manual--

 

[rbattelle]

You're not the only one confused! We have a bit of a terminology issue, perhaps.

TIPM = Totally Integrated Power Module
PDC = Power Distribution Center (the service manual doesn't actually use this term except in the table of contents, I think, where the term "Power Distribution" is the title of the relevant chapter.

Here's where it gets confusing.

Prior to the TIPM, the service manual calls the fusebox, "Integrated Power Module".

After the TIPM, the service manual calls the fusebox, "Module - Totally Integrated Power".

Seafish, the drawing you show is a classic fusebox, NOT a TIPM! So if that's what's on your truck I would say you do NOT have a TIPM.

If you don't have a TIPM, I think that means you don't have to worry about anything more serious than blowing fuses. Right?

-Ryan

 

[seafish]

You're not the only one confused! We have a bit of a terminology issue, perhaps.



TIPM = Totally Integrated Power Module

PDC = Power Distribution Center (the service manual doesn't actually use this term except in the table of contents, I think, where the term "Power Distribution" is the title of the relevant chapter.



Here's where it gets confusing.



Prior to the TIPM, the service manual calls the fusebox, "Integrated Power Module".



After the TIPM, the service manual calls the fusebox, "Module - Totally Integrated Power".



Seafish, the drawing you show is a classic fusebox, NOT a TIPM! So if that's what's on your truck I would say you do NOT have a TIPM.



If you don't have a TIPM, I think that means you don't have to worry about anything more serious than blowing fuses. Right?



-Ryan

Ryan, This whole issue was particularly confusing to me in that my PDC says "Integrated Power Module" right on its side.



That being said,I think you pretty much have helped clear the issue up. THANKS!!



However, it would also be useful if someone could post a pic of the TIPM from a 2006 parts manual so that people could SEE the difference in what they look like. Anyone ??

 

[TCDiesel]

Tipm... .....

 

[seafish]

Tipm... .....

Thanks Todd, the TIPM is definitely NOT what I have.



I have reposted the image as a JPG so that people can compare the PDC and TIPM...

 

[rbattelle]

Thanks Todd, the TIPM is definitely NOT what I have.

It's interesting that you don't have a TIPM. I thought they were standard for 2005-up. I guess not.



-Ryan

 

[seafish]

It's interesting that you don't have a TIPM. I thought they were standard for 2005-up. I guess not.

-Ryan

Well so far I feel as if I have been very lucky with the date of manufacture of my truck.

Despite NOT having the higher AE gears to go on the G56 transmission, it DOES have an all aluminum intercooler instead of the plastic-cap ones. Also glad to have avoided the newer Can-Bus wiring on the later models even though I DO have the OBD-2 port. In fact, that might be WHY I don't have the TIPM, maybe that was introduced on the models with Can-Bus and not CCD. Just guessing right now !!

See this thread-- https://www.turbodieselregister.com...sions-2007-5/206933-obd-2-can-bus-2008-a.html