how will my truck tow this?

[CATCRACKER]

can i tow a 450G john deere dozer weight 17,500. 03 dodge 3500 srw 3. 73 ho 6 speed? i know this is over the limit but does anyone tow this kind of load.

 

[Pit Bull]

You don't even have it yet and you already want to break it :{ :-laf

 

[CATCRACKER]

 

[Snow man]

Of course you can tow it,As long as you stay local you'll probably be fine,if you overload your rear tires with to much pin weight on the gooseneck,im sure youll blow them out if you drive at highway speeds. I wouldnt even think of towing something that heavy on a bumper pull trailer unless it was with a 23000 or higher GVWR truck. I think your nuts,earound here you can get anything delivered for under 200,both ways,and if your towing it often,and delivery costs will add up,you should buy a MD truck to tow it with. If a State trooper saw you with that trailer,and your single wheel truck,you'd be getting the trailer towed away ,and an out of service sticker slapped on your truck. My uncle is a farmer,he he used to tow a 9 ton trailer off his factory 2" receiver on his 96 K2500HD Chevy 6. 5 turbo,he would tow a small dozer that weighed 15000 with that truck,total weight was like 19000. one day he turned as he was stopping on a gravel road,and the trailer pushed the rear of the truck right around,and kinked the bed into the trailer,about 3000 in damage to the truck. He had no trailer brakes either,this was feild to field on side roads,and farm to farm,but it was too much for the truck chassis.

 

[J DeMaio]

What kind of trailer do you have? I'd say a gooseneck, at least a 10 ton rating. You outta be able to haul it, I've seen many loads like that behind a pickup Around here everyone uses their dodges for over the road tractors. Just go slow, have good brakes, be as safe as you can.



John

 

[jhurst]

Your truck should do fine as long as you take it easy. My brother had a similar sized komatsu dozer we hauled a couple times on a gooseneck with tandem dual axles with no problem. As long as you have a good gooseneck trailer, you should be ok. Just make sure not to put that dozer too far forward on the trailer, don't want to overload those SRWs. Good luck with it!



Justin H

 

[moparguy]

Yes, with the givens listed above. I pull with a GCW up to 30k or so occasionally. But it's all I want. It's not a matter of power, I've got plenty for a working truck, as I'm sure you will, it's the what if something goes wrong issue.



Also, if you think that kind of towing could happen very often, a dually sure would be my first choice.



Good luck, Ronnie

 

[Bob Cochran]

Plenty of go but no wow!!!! Make it short trips and leave a long way to stop in.

 

[illflem]

My 3500 hauls 26k of apples all day everyday for four months a year. Been doing it for seven years. Exhaust brake is a necessity. Hauling a JD450 is almost like running empty for it, a D-6 is a little much though.

 

[bpete]

I have pulled a g/n trailer with 360bu of wheat (60#/bu=21,600# net) add in the 9000# 98 srw ctd, and 6,500# trailer (37,100# for the mathmaticaly challenged). The run was over 180 miles and to date have made the run twice. I also have a 40' triple axle g/n trailer with a 3000 gal. water tank that I load to nurse our sprayer. I pulled the load across the scales once to see how bad I was abusing things... 17,000 front... 30,000 rear=47500 gross. The PU weighs in around 8k so I have a 9k tongue weight.

I run 235/85/16 Michelin XPS TRACTION 10ply tires with 100psi in rear and 85psi in front, the trailer has the same tire only used off of pu with 110psi. I have not had any blowouts only a few flats in the mornings. I run a TST 11 camplate and dual 5"stacks thats it. I have to use 4low to get rolling and can be in top gear in under a mile. With some help from Pac Brake I can be from 70mph to stop in a mile with light braking, No I can't stop fast enough when needed, but I can shut her down in just over a 1/4 mile if I must (no that is not tested, but very educated guess). I have had one clutch explode going up a hill in 5th. I used this trailer daily during spray season for two years until last July we upgraded to a semi and trailer that hasuls the chemical water and sprayer.



I'm not trying to brag just giving some real world experiences I have had with my 98 12v, 160,000 miles and still smoking. I'll try to dig up some pics for you guys.

Brant



p. s. please overlook any spelling errors.

 

[Bob Cochran]

I rest my case. Oo.

 

[Okie-Go]

On this heavy a load I agree. I would be concerned about the whoa not the go in this case.

 

[willyslover]

When Brant gets the pic's up your eyes will pop out of your head... I saw the pic's a long time ago and was amazed his rig would do it .

 

[jnelson]

No problem on the weight as stated earlier. My biggest stupid feat was 12 pallets of ceramic floor tile. Gross weight was 52,000lbs. I only took it about 3 miles. But then I had to replace all 4 of my wheels seals on the trailer.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by bpete

. With some help from Pac Brake I can be from 70mph to stop in a mile with light braking, No I can't stop fast enough when needed, but I can shut her down in just over a 1/4 mile if I must (no that is not tested, but very educated guess).

And where on a public road are you going to have 1/4 mile for an emergency stop? Emergency implies unexpected and I've never seen a situation where a driver had a 1/4 mile 'cushion' to stop... .



These kinds of things on a public road are ridiculous. On a dirt road on private property - knock yourself out.



Brian

 

[bpete]

Originally posted by NVR FNSH

And where on a public road are you going to have 1/4 mile for an emergency stop? Emergency implies unexpected and I've never seen a situation where a driver had a 1/4 mile 'cushion' to stop... .



These kinds of things on a public road are ridiculous. On a dirt road on private property - knock yourself out.



Brian

I take it you've never been to southwest Kansas?



Let me put it this way... my first sort of radar detection was my buddy in the passenger seat with binoculars. You are more likely to encounter farm machinery on the "public roads" than an emergency.



Those of you concerned about the stopping distance's are correct. It does take longer. But I challenge you to test your own rigs for stopping distances loaded and unloaded, then cram it down as if you life depends on it and report those back.



Now to put a spin on this stopping discussion... Are The accidents that involve stopping distance caused by

a. vehicle gross weight?

b. failure to yield right of way?

c. following to close?

d. driver(s) preoccupied?

e. vehicle(s) speed?

f. road or weather conditions?



Personally I feel that any combination plays into each accident and probably some I haven't mentioned.



In my senario, I am always watching 1/2mile+ down the road, If a vehicle is traveling slower than me I back off to safe distance, If a vehicle enters an intersection I slow down (even though I have the right of way), and I stay clear of town.



Personally I would say that I am just a safe overloaded as the the John Doe that just rented the big UHAUL and has is car in tow, or the OTR driver on crank pushing 40 tons of steel down the road.



I know what I was doing was illegal! But by the grace of god no one was hurt, and for that I am grateful!



The rest of this post was just some gibberish to ponder while your hauling a legal load drinking coffee and talking to your stalk broker.



happy motoring

Brant

 

[willyslover]

Here ya go Brant. . this should post now

 

[willyslover]

and the other one

 

[NVR FNSH]

Brant,

You're correct - I've never been to SW Kansas. A little too flat for my taste



I totally agree with you about collisions being caused by a combination of factors - mostly stupidity on at least one party. However, here's the rub - public roads are just that; public. You can't forsee or account for the actions of all other drivers. And to expect Sally Sedan to allow for a 1/4-1/2 mile cushion for a grossly overloaded rig is not reasonable. Sally Sedan sees a pickup towing a trailer and hopefully - I say hopefully cause it usually doesn't happen when I'm towing my 5th wheel - will realize you can't stop as quickly as she can and won't cut you off. The old rule of a car length for every 10mph just doesn't cut it with big loads. And yes, I've had the displeasure of testing my truck/trailer stopping ability recently. I580 in Oakland doing ~62mph rounded a curve and everything in front of me was stopped for no apparent reason. I couldn't see thru the curve far enough ahead and the leather on my driver's seat shows the evidence..... Service brakes, trailer brakes and exhaust brake were all working properly thank god.



I guess I see towing & riding my street bike in the same light - It's not me that going to cause the problem. It's the other idiots out there that don't know what they're doing.



Brian

 

[CUMAPART]

As others stated it will yank it just fine just watch the braking. I towed a Bobcat 341 excavator with an extra bucket, auger and hammer. probably around 15000. No problems just remember that you gotta stop it once ya get rolling.