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After having my HVAC doors break for the second time, I have decided to once-and-for-all fix the HVAC by replacing all four doors (non-dual climate control) with the steel Heater Treater replacement doors. Right now, I only have air coming out of the panel vents with no floor heat and no defrost capability.



Heater Treater replacement doors, $229 delivered. Ordered Friday, USPS delivered Tuesday. In the kit is 9v set of wire leads that enables you to check each actuator/door function without the need to connect the HVAC control harness. This is a nice touch. You see the doors labeled Blend, Mode 1 and Mode 2. The Mode 1 is actually the Defrost door and the Mode 2 is actually the Mode door and controls the floor vents. However, the Heater Treater folks really put a premium on not pulling the dash, and have designed their instructions (which, by the way, are very thorough, in addition to their installation videos on their website) for the installer to cut into the HVAC box and cut some of the metal frame behind the ash tray/cup holder area in the dash for the R&R of a couple of the HVAC doors. That may be a good alternative for some folks, but I am one of those ISTJ types (Myers-Briggs personality indicator), and cutting into the box just doesn’t “cut it” for me. IMHO, the only way to do this right, is complete disassemble/reassemble. Pics follow their descriptions.



Heater Treater four-door kit with new Recirculation housing:



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I am not reinventing the wheel by re-documenting what a couple of others have done on the various CTD forums in regards to removing the dash and HVAC housing. Those threads can be easily found and I am actually following their instructions regarding R-134 discharge, disconnect of A/C lines, draining of coolant, disconnect of heater lines, dash and HVAC removal, and replacement and recharging. I am kind of trying to fill in some gaps with this write-up and take the previous threads through a 100% HVAC R&R.



In September 2006, the dealer replaced these parts on my truck under warranty:

5127758AA – Lower HVAC housing (updated part from factory original with what I believe to have better coupler stops, like the recirculation housing)

5073964AA – Defrost door

5019632AA – Coupling

5073963AA – Panel Door (I assume this is the Mode/floor vent door)



Due to my recirculation door not breaking at the time, they did not replace the recirculation door or the recirculation housing that has been updated with coupler stops. I am not even sure if the new recirculation housing was available at that time. But again, this is a once-and-for-all fix, so I bought the updated recirculation housing from the local dealer for just shy of $49, part number 68004226AB. By the way, one lady behind the parts counter knew the part number by-heart. I mentioned, “I guess you get pretty familiar with parts you replace a lot, don’t you?” She replied emphatically, “Yes. ” It’s also interesting to note that the housing comes complete with door, door coupler, and actuator…and used to cost less than $20 when it was released several years back. At less than $50 now ($55 retail), it’s probably still a good deal versus buying all of the parts separately.



I replaced the recirculation door with the Heater Treater recirculation door. The interesting issue is that the Heater Treater coupler doesn’t have the stud that engages the coupler stops on the housing. It isn’t really needed as the recirculation housing itself provides the stops for the doors, which also makes the stops on the redesigned housing a moot point as well. Now I am wondering why the redesign of the housing? I am leaving the recirculation housing off the HVAC box until I disassemble it, replace the doors, and reassemble.



Heater Treater Recirculation Coupler:



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Updated recirculation housing with Heater Treater door installed:



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When removing the HVAC box from the firewall, I found it easier to disconnect the heater lines from the engine instead of at the firewall. There isn’t much room up underneath the cowl and made the disconnection go more quickly with less skinned knuckles and frustration.

Disassemble HVAC box by removing the dozen or so screws from around the periphery of the box.



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With each door, remove the actuator by removing the two Phillips-head screws and disengaging from the coupler. Take a set of needle nose pliers and pull the coupler straight out of the door axle. Once the coupler is removed, the door falls out. Reinstall in reverse with Heater Treater door and steel coupler, and actuator (don’t worry about door position) into/onto the housing.



On one of the couplers, the drift pin that engages the door stops on the HVAC housing was too long and would not fit into the groove that leads to the stop. In some cases, the door stop is actually a groove cut into the housing plastic, versus a plastic projection that extends perpendicularly toward to door axle. In this case, I simply tapped the drift pin medially to shorten the pin on the door stop engaging side. Hope this makes sense. If you decide to do this project and run into this issue, you’ll immediately know what I am talking about.



Shortened drift pin:



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Mode 2 (as Heater Treater calls it), or Mode door/floor vent door replaced:



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Blend door replaced. You’ll notice the arm that connects to another door below the heater coil via a rod and are actuated together. This door is not replaced, but I cannot think of a single incident where that door has broken. It doesn’t engage anything; it just rotates on its axle:



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Fin sensor left in place. I have never had the freezing-up issues that others have reported and where the relocation of the sensor was the remedy. I figured, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.



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The culprit for my woes: Broken Defrost door, (or Mode 1 door as Heater Treater calls it). This is the second time it has broken…and the last.



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New defrost door installed:



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Reassemble HVAC together with Recirculation housing and reinstall back onto firewall and reinstall dash. Be careful to not damage the airbag harnesses near the bottom center of the firewall, which would be located just under the cup holders on automatic transmission trucks. The dash is A LOT heavier than I was expecting and it is very feasible to damage the airbag connections.



There you have it. Hopefully, the result is an HVAC system that will never break again. Honestly, only time will tell, but dollar for dollar, it is well worth it to spend almost the same amount of money on steel parts instead of plastic. So if you have the TIME and the desire, I highly recommend this fix/upgrade. The doors are well engineered, albeit a little homemade looking. I am curious to see if any rust develops due to condensation in the system. Again, only time will tell.
 
Collateral Damage

COLLATERAL DAMAGE:



As I was draining the radiator for the heater line disconnect, the radiator experienced a catastrophic failure. I was standing by the truck and the trickle of antifreeze suddenly turned into a flow of antifreeze. I looked down and quickly realized I was running out of bucket space. My attempts to close the valve/draincock were futile as there were no threads to engage with the valve. None. Apparently the female threads on the radiator are pressed into the radiator cavity with an insert of some sort. My assumption is that when I opened the valve, this turning motion stripped the insert within the radiator. The result: a perfectly square hole with nothing for the valve to grab, thus, closing the hole.



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Fastener Engineering Rule #1 – the easily replaced part is always engineered to be LESS durable than the core part. Note the perfect draincock. Not a scratch on it, no evidence of being cross threaded, etc. Just one of those things… actually, it’s just one of those almost $700 things. Low and behold, the radiator part number has been superseded, and interestingly enough, the draincock has been redesigned. Who woulda thunk it? Come to find out, there are over 300 of the radiators on back-order and I was very fortunate that a dealer local to me had one in stock. I guess I was also very fortunate that this valve didn’t let go on the road somewhere. Maybe there was a way a good radiator shop could fix it, but those places are nearly extinct now (like all the other good specialty shops), and I couldn’t afford the downtime either.



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Something else I’m not really impressed with is the fact that you just about have to disassemble the whole front end of truck to get the radiator out. By the way, the service manual is lying when it comes to radiator R&R. Don’t believe it.





Hope this helps. Good luck.
 
Let me know if there are any questions you have about anything. I may not be able to respond immediately, but I will soon. Feel free to shoot me a PM as well.



I have a PDF of this install, but it is 2. 4 MB. I can email if you wish. Send email in PM.
 
I lost the recirc door on my '03 last summer. Would its repair be worthwhile in itself, or would you advise doing the whole job when the time comes? The system works fine otherwise.
 
did all the updated parts bout 3months ago (30k) when i lost my heater core (when it was broke i had all but floor heat but did all the the new parts while it was out)

now all the sudden after a noise switching to the floor heat all i have is vents and a small amount of floor no matter where i set it recirc/fresh air works fine

gotta a link to these parts? bout tired of DC
 
Thanks for reminding me of another project I need to conquer. I lucked out when mine broke and I still get a little air up through the defrost so have not been in a big hurry to tackle. Did check out the Heater Treater doors a while back and they do look like the way to go. Thanks for posting.
 
I lost the recirc door on my '03 last summer. Would its repair be worthwhile in itself, or would you advise doing the whole job when the time comes? The system works fine otherwise.



If you were in the south, I'd say definitely. My HVAC hardly moves from recirc during the summer. I actually use it a lot during the winter for quicker warm-up too, come to think of it. So, in Pennsylvania, I'd say you should do it.



did all the updated parts bout 3months ago (30k) when i lost my heater core (when it was broke i had all but floor heat but did all the the new parts while it was out)

now all the sudden after a noise switching to the floor heat all i have is vents and a small amount of floor no matter where i set it recirc/fresh air works fine

gotta a link to these parts? bout tired of DC



Two links you should look at: One is their homepage with all of their info and instructional videos, and the other is their ebay vendor's page. Let me know if you have other questions.



Dodge Ram 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, blend door auto AC heat replacement part



combo Dodge Ram 02-08 All Four Doors : eBay Motors (item 270356595027 end time Mar-05-10 17:53:35 PST)
 
Since this was brought back up, I guess I should give an update... it still works, over three years later. Nary an issue.
 
Going through and updating some of my old threads. Pretty severe winter here so far on the east coast. Everything is still doing well, and no issues with the HT doors. I have heat exactly where I want it, going on four years later. Hope this helps some of the newer 3rd Gen owners.
 
Going through and updating some of my old threads. Pretty severe winter here so far on the east coast. Everything is still doing well, and no issues with the HT doors. I have heat exactly where I want it, going on four years later. Hope this helps some of the newer 3rd Gen owners.

I am sure this pic post helped a good number of people,also bet it doubled your repair time.I never seem to have the time to take pics while working.
 
My Heater Treater doors have been working for a few years now too. I do have an issue with the flow of air through the heater when any of the settings are bringing in outside air. The fresh air door (observable behind the glove compartment) is working fine, and the air flows great when in the recirculate mode. I think my problem is a restriction in the air passage from outside behind the hood. Is there a filter or screen in there that could be causing an obstruction?

Thanks,
Blake
 
I am sure this pic post helped a good number of people,also bet it doubled your repair time.I never seem to have the time to take pics while working.

Thanks. It was one of the few projects I've actually took the time to document with pics. I'm like you.

My Heater Treater doors have been working for a few years now too. I do have an issue with the flow of air through the heater when any of the settings are bringing in outside air. The fresh air door (observable behind the glove compartment) is working fine, and the air flows great when in the recirculate mode. I think my problem is a restriction in the air passage from outside behind the hood. Is there a filter or screen in there that could be causing an obstruction?

Thanks,
Blake

There is a screen you need to check...could be clogged with leaves, etc. IIRC, I think it's where the recirc box mates to the firewall of the truck. Not sure, so double check.
 
Blake you may also have a build up of debris on the evap itself. I see this on hi mile rigs or those like mine with miles of off pavement use
 
There is a screen you need to check...could be clogged with leaves, etc. IIRC, I think it's where the recirc box mates to the firewall of the truck. Not sure, so double check.

I wonder if the black plastic intake grating is easy to remove? Would the screen be accessible through there?
 
Blake you may also have a build up of debris on the evap itself. I see this on hi mile rigs or those like mine with miles of off pavement use

Bob, when we had the heater box out, we checked the heater core and evap and they were clean and in good shape. Plus the A/C works good and has the same air flow problem as the heater does: lots of flow on recirc, but much less flow from outside.

Thanks
 
I wonder if the black plastic intake grating is easy to remove? Would the screen be accessible through there?

I don't know. I believe I remember some fellers cutting the screen out to prevent future clogs but cannot remember how they accessed it. Not sure I would recommend that course of action though.
 
I just ordered 4 doors from Heater Treater. I also ordered a new heater core and evap. I only have trouble with defrost, but I'm not going to put in that much work and risk having to do it again. I have a small ac leak I suspect is in the evap. At 345,000 miles I suppose it's due.
 
Determining which door is bad

Info for the next newbie: I read through the all the posts, thanks to all who provided the info and pix. I came away with two questions:

1-How many doors should I buy?
The general consensus is to replace all doors if you have it torn apart. But if you use heatertreater method then I would pick and choose which doors to buy. It is well documented that the Recirc door is the most common and the 2nd most common is the Mode 1 door (changes between floor/vent/defrost). the recirc door is the easiest to change, you can remove the glove box, lower the blower motor and it is right there. Easy to see if it is broken and easy to repair.

2-Do I have a broken door or servo?
You can easily confirm all servos are working and also which door is broken when you have the lower cowl removed (below cup holder) and the glove box removed. From the passenger side you can observe:
A)Recirc door moving when control is put on recirc or the door should be closed when the engine is off
B)The blend doors servo working (use temp selector to verify). This checks the servo, you can verify the doors are not broken if you can feel heat/cold with the temp selector.
C)Mode 1 servo moves when changing between floor and vent on the control. If the air flow does not change and the servo does then you know the door is broken.
D)Mode 2 servo (Floor/Defrost)--just peek up the floor vent on the pax side to see the door moving when you switch between floor and defrost.

Thanks again to all for your efforts posting info.

2006 3500 DRW-ALL STOCK! (won't be able to say that after I get the new Mode 1 door from Heater Treater)
 
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