Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting I dont know if this is true, anyone confirm?

[duckcarvr]

This one is for you Veterans. I have never heard of this before, but I thought it was important enough to pass along here.



"I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found something very interesting



I would like to pass along. . While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions.



(1. Did I feel stressed?)



(2. Did I feel threatened?)



(3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?)



The nurse then informed me, if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.



I am a Viet Nam vet and 15 year cc permit holder. Looks like they are going after us vets. "



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Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners as potential terrorists. If you are a veteran, you've been warned.



If you know veterans, please pass this on to them.

 

[B.G. Smith]

I saw that on another forum also, probably an off shoot of this. bg http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/extremismreport.pdf.

 

[AKaiser]

No, I don't think they're going after Vets. If you guys haven't heard, there's a concerted effort to prevent suicides in our military, and thankfully it's been extended to VA. They can't just take away your permit without due process, depending on the laws of your state.

 

[JKreiss]

I find it hard to believe that that line of questioning is solely to reveal if I plan on taking my own life. Given the comments made by Napolitano, and the report that was released by DHS, I believe they are looking for people (veterans) who pose a risk to society. I mean honestly look at the last question, "3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?" I'm not certain but I’d be pretty confident in thinking that a reply of "YES" is going to raise a lot of attention. It is my firm believe that the DHS honestly could care less about the individual person, veteran or not. I believe this line of questioning is most definitely out to find veterans that need help, however, if you posses a CC permit, you will no longer need it. Now according to the story, the nurse said "if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security. " I believe that statement is spot on. Yes due process would be in order, however, good luck! JMO

 

[AKaiser]

First, let's get down to understanding the line of questioning. One and Two would not give any legal body enough basis to take a weapons permit. Even both combined would not, especially if there was a legit reason to feel threatened. Which leads to question number 3. People who are suicidal DON'T want to commit suicide. If they answered in the affirmative it would be considered a cry for help.

Whether or not this particular questioning has anything to do with suicide or not is not really relevant. Who in their right mind would answer "yes" to the third question if they actually were intent on doing harm to someone else? Few people intent on killing someone would admit it.

 

[JKreiss]

I agree 100% with you about the questions. The actuality of any person answering yes to that is highly unlikely. I agree with you also, those that would be a suicidal threat don't want to commit suicide. However, those questions are absolutely ridiculous. I wonder how long it took the lawyers to properly word and get approval for those questions. My point was that if anything negative was to be put into medical records that were reported to Homeland Security, I believe your CC would be in dire Jeopardy.

 

[JCyrbok]

I'm not a vet and therefore do not utilize the VA, but the last time I was in the hospital ER (private hospital), which was about 1 year ago I was asked several questions along those line too. In addition they asked if I was a victim of domestic violence and/or sexual abuse, if there were firearms in my home and how they were stored ( I respectfully declined to answer the firearms questions).



I dont think that they are specifically targeting vets, I just think that they are trying to do better with the returning vets from the current conflicts as opposed to how they helped in the past.



Not sure if they could legally report your answers to anyone (other than the do you want to harm others one) to anyone. Would think that it may fall under HIPA, plus I am not sure what, if any role that DHS has in issuing ccw permits. Michigan is a shall issue state and it is pretty easy to get a permit. Being "stressed" or "feeling threatened" are not legal diagnosis' of mental stability. Hell I am a Cop and I feel stressed and threatened on a daily basis, LOL.



As for the doing harm to others, I would think that they could report that to your county gun board (if your state runs CCW permits that way) and they may call in to explain and or be examined and I would think that would NOT violate HIPA.



Hope this helps and thank you for serving our country,



J-

 

[TRoss]

Those are standard mental health screening questions (in this case likely aimed at possible cases of PTSD, though variations are asked in lots of other circumstances). I was an RA in a dormitory, and we were trained to ask similar questions at various times.



The only possible situation in which the nurse's statement could be true is:

<ol>

<li>A patient answered yes to one of the questions</li>

<li>Further mental health services are provided</li>

<li>It becomes necessary for the patient to enter inpatient psychiatric treatment for a time. </li>

</ol>



There are laws that restrict people who have been hospitalized for mental illness in inpatient facilities from owning firearms. Of course, that has nothing to do with veterans or DHS. It is really just a standard set of questions that have been asked in differing forms for quite long time that someone very recently managed to misunderstand/misrepresent.

 

[JKreiss]

I understand the questions have been there for while, and that there "intended" purpose is to offer further help to those in need. As far as anybody is concerned the nurse’s comments are nothing more than hear-say. Whether or not the issue of the CC permit could be jeopardized by how you answer said questions primarily would depend on the state that issued the permit. Here in California you can't get one so that would nullify us:-laf. Whether or not DHS could play a role in the whole deal is beyond me. All I know is like I stated earlier, the comments that were made and the report that was released, I’m staying on my toes. I value my guns and will be danged if they think when I come home from deployment, I’m any more a risk than the gang banger that's never mentioned. Remember, the main point of this story was that the nurse said the VA would have to report it to DHS and the aforementioned individual would lose their permit.

 

[LowFly]

As a vet and a gun owner, These questions do not surprise me one bit. i was in the Navy in 91 and even then they asked those questions. My father was asked those questions wqhen he joined for the Korean War. these questions have been around for a very long time and do not mean that the Government is going after vets. If they wanted us Vets THEY have all the military records from WWI!! They will never be able to fully take away our weapons... ... The constitution protects us from that, They will however try to control them by making Ammo and the weapons themselves so expensive that no one will be able to afford to own a gun. THAT is the way this administration works. They cut our pay, cause us to lose our jobs and then they raise the taxes on everything we hold dear so that in the end we the people will HAVE to go to the government for everything... . It is called socialism... . get used to it... . it is coming.

 

[JERRYDODGE]

I feel that a cc permit is just a flag saying, "yes I have a hand gun". I let mine go several years ago... Vietnam era vet...

 

[DWordinger]

It's part of the Veterans Disarmament Act. Read these short articles:

02/09 “Pork†Bailout Bill Could Ban Guns for Millions of Americans

The Veterans Disarmament Act DOES Change Federal Law

 

[Flying_gage]

Hipa goes out the window when you want to harm yourself or another. That is in the category of "must report". They call it mandatory reporting for people in health care or those who are around sensitive age groups. I am a paramedic of 15 years and my wife is an ER nurse.

Don't be so sure about databases and whatnot. I have my private pilot license and if I were to have a drunk driving arrest, the good folks at the FAA would know about it. The are sharing information out there. In addition, if I told a FAA medical examiner I was depressed, my "medical" would more than likely be denied until a further review took place. Medical reviews are both costly and oftentimes result in revocation of the certificate.

I would not share any information such as the above with anyone. Call me cynical, but I have watched the system work for better and worse.