I don't like the smoke

[ranger 393]

I have had the Smarty s06 pod now for awhile, and I like the power , but I hate the smoke. I have tried all the settings to get it to go away. I have tried all the catcher tunes up to sw7, tq1..tm2..rp1..waste gate stock, and it still smokes like a freight train. I have looked for an update and it but it looks like the last update was 2013. I have the Edge cts 2 with the hot unlock that does not smoke no where near as much with comperable hp. I will admit that the smarty egts are a little cooler but, that much black smoke is not good for it either.

 

[BigPapa]

It takes more fuel to make more power. More fuel means smoke. To balance it out, you need more air. It will take more turbo to get more air.

 

[promisedland]

Custom tuning will definitely help you with that, either smarty UDC Pro or HP tuning

 

[Jim W]

My son is using EFILive with a custom tune on his 2006 truck. The only time it will smoke if he real gets on the throttle. I would look into EFILIVE for your needs also.

His first programmer was a Smarty s06 but after he melted a piston with it he changed to the EFILIVE.

 

[ranger 393]

My son is using EFILive with a custom tune on his 2006 truck. The only time it will smoke if he real gets on the throttle. I would look into EFILIVE for your needs also.

His first programmer was a Smarty s06 but after he melted a piston with it he changed to the EFILIVE.

I wish I could efi live is for the 06 and up from what I have read, but I could be wrong. It would be nice to see smarty update their programs, but I doubt that's going to happen.

 

[promisedland]

UDC Pro & HP Tuners will work for the 03 to 06 & beond

 

[JR]

My son is using EFILive with a custom tune on his 2006 truck. The only time it will smoke if he real gets on the throttle. I would look into EFILIVE for your needs also.

His first programmer was a Smarty s06 but after he melted a piston with it he changed to the EFILIVE.

Jim, with all due respect I think it would be very difficult, if not impossible to prove Smarty legitimately caused a melted piston in an engine. If anything Smartys plug and play tunes have historically been on the conservative side.

 

[AH64ID]

It takes more fuel to make more power. More fuel means smoke. To balance it out, you need more air. It will take more turbo to get more air.

No, you can have tons of smoke free hp.

Most box tunes are smokey.

With a good custom tuner you can have smoke free power, as long as all the hard parts are matched.

 

[AH64ID]

My son is using EFILive with a custom tune on his 2006 truck. The only time it will smoke if he real gets on the throttle. I would look into EFILIVE for your needs also.

His first programmer was a Smarty s06 but after he melted a piston with it he changed to the EFILIVE.

EFI live is a tuning platform, and not a tuner. You can’t buy a tune from EFI Live.

Unfortunately I’ve seen more than a few EFI Live tuned trucks much worse off than box tunes. Box tunes are generally more smokey, but also rarely cause harm unless the user puts them on the wrong setting.... something not always available with custom tunes.

I wish I could efi live is for the 06 and up from what I have read, but I could be wrong. It would be nice to see smarty update their programs, but I doubt that's going to happen.

EFI Live is a jack of all programmers. They don’t specialize in Cummins, they dabble in many platform.

Look for someone who tunes with UDC Pro. It is from a Cummins only company and offers more tables to the tuner than EFI. While they both are capable of the same WOT results UDC Pro’s additional tables will benefit the end user with day to day driving, where most us spend most of our time.

PS, smarty has updated their programs with UDC Pro. IMHO you can’t touch it’s capability for Cummins motors.

 

[Regcabguy]

I had the latest and greatest Smarty tune

I have had the Smarty s06 pod now for awhile, and I like the power , but I hate the smoke. I have tried all the settings to get it to go away. I have tried all the catcher tunes up to sw7, tq1..tm2..rp1..waste gate stock, and it still smokes like a freight train. I have looked for an update and it but it looks like the last update was 2013. I have the Edge cts 2 with the hot unlock that does not smoke no where near as much with comperable hp. I will admit that the smarty egts are a little cooler but, that much black smoke is not good for it either.

Try returning the Smarty to stock and after fully warming the truck,make a half dozen full throttle runs. My Smarty would soot up the cat. Mine would clean right up. I can't get my truck to do it with EFI.
Bob4x4 suggested it.

 

[Jim W]

Jim, with all due respect I think it would be very difficult, if not impossible to prove Smarty legitimately caused a melted piston in an engine. If anything Smartys plug and play tunes have historically been on the conservative side.

I believe you can when you are at the top level of the SW tunes on the So6. He was also and still is using 50HP over stock injectors on his engine. When he first bought the truck, he started to set up the truck for HP/TQ so, he could sled pull with the truck. It was during the pull that the piston melted, it over fueled.

The truck is now built for speed close to 800HP with the custom tune and EFILIve on the truck. He has close to 29,000 miles on the 2006 and also uses the truck for show and shine.

My son and two other buddies of his had set up a performance shop, running this has aside business before he was married. They were will know in the area for the quality of their work and knowledge on performance.

 

[Tuesdak]

Had the same problem with stock injectors, Garrett stage 3 BB turbo, and a Smarty Touch that was smoking more than I liked. With a custom tune (UDC Pro) even the further mods of stage 1 BBi injectors can run nearly smoke free without a cat (2003). Further the BBi's passed Snap Test emissions with a real low power tune that was still decent to drive. No the high power tune wouldn't pass, but, it didn't visibly smoke as bad as the canned Smarty tunes.

I salute you for wanting to run smoke free as possible.

 

[ranger 393]

EFI live is a tuning platform, and not a tuner. You can’t buy a tune from EFI Live.

Unfortunately I’ve seen more than a few EFI Live tuned trucks much worse off than box tunes. Box tunes are generally more smokey, but also rarely cause harm unless the user puts them on the wrong setting.... something not always available with custom tunes.


EFI Live is a jack of all programmers. They don’t specialize in Cummins, they dabble in many platform.

Look for someone who tunes with UDC Pro. It is from a Cummins only company and offers more tables to the tuner than EFI. While they both are capable of the same WOT results UDC Pro’s additional tables will benefit the end user with day to day driving, where most us spend most of our time.

PS, smarty has updated their programs with UDC Pro. IMHO you can’t touch it’s capability for Cummins motors.

I will look into the UDC Pro..Thanks

I had the latest and greatest Smarty tune

Try returning the Smarty to stock and after fully warming the truck,make a half dozen full throttle runs. My Smarty would soot up the cat. Mine would clean right up. I can't get my truck to do it with EFI.
Bob4x4 suggested it.

I have returned it to stock several times to no avail. I can blip the throttle setting still and cause a black out.
I have read that the 03's do not smoke like the 04.5 and up.

I salute you for wanting to run smoke free as possible.

Its not good if you pull away from a stop light wrong and smoke out the car next to you ,and at the next light he pulls up and your setting there in a uniform and badge....

 

[AH64ID]

When was the last time you worked it hard?

Also, to clarify it doesn't smoke on stock settings?

 

[ranger 393]

When was the last time you worked it hard?

Also, to clarify it doesn't smoke on stock settings?

I pulled my 30 toy hauler 2 months ago through the mountains here on vacation .
No sir no smoke at all on stock settings.

 

[ranger 393]

When was the last time you worked it hard?

Also, to clarify it doesn't smoke on stock settings?

I should explain, when I say stock that means no tune downloaded. If I run any tunes and all settings on stock then yes I can smoke out an intersection if I'm not careful.

 

[cerberusiam]

You have another problem somewhere, corrupted ECM, hard parts failure, or outright operator error. There is no way on SW2, or even SW3, you should not have that kind of smoke all things being equal.

What rpms, what gear, and what is the boost and climb rate when it allegedly smokes out a road? If you are trying to lug this truck down to 1500-1600 rpms then wood the throttle trying to accelerate you ARE going to emit a cloud of black until the turbo spools. Conversely if you are at 1900-2000 rpms and wood throttle and it rolls black you need to check boost levels, rail pressure, LP pressure, etc. You could have a boost leak, a bad WG controller, LP could be dead (good possibility on a 04.5), or a bad ECM, bad turbo. Gonna need some gauges and some testing to find the issue.

Smarty box tunes, all things being equal, may haze a bit and you can get them to puff a little smoke but unless you have an issue with heat soak in the CAC or one of the former issues you will not see large clouds of black. Hard to do even trying to do it. Naturally if throw it SW7-9 and lug the crap out of it BBCOD will make an appearance.

 

[Prairie Dog]

My buddy has a bone stock 06 with less than 45K on it that he bought new. We were talking about smoke and he said it has always smoked when he gets on it. It always passed emissions testing without issue.

I run a SmJr on 2 or 3 and it will smoke while boost is building and continue to do so if it's WOT. Anything less than WOT and it will clear up with boost.
I've always wondered what a better turbo would do for me but the orig just wont die!

 

[ranger 393]

Thanks for the replies , I will look into the udc pro, maybe that will clear it up. I have replaced all intercooler boots and pressure tested the system , also running the Fass 150 and pressure 16 psi at idle ..rail pressure is 6.5k at idle. I believe a different turbo that woiuld spool a little quicker woulkd take care of most of it, but thats not in my budget right now.

 

[cerberusiam]

You won't find any faster spooling turbo that the HE351, better air but not any better spool. Spooling is all tuning anyway if it is sized correctly and in good shape. Without boost and rpm hard numbers plus situational info where it smokes anything we could add is just a SWAG. You need to do more tesitng and get some hard numbers instead SOP impressions.