idleing 6.7 overnight?

[machinemover]

i am concerned about idleing my truck overnight. i have upfitted a sleeper and intend to need to idle in cold or hot weather. i am looking for advise.

 

[DavidC]

You could use an Espar unit for heat, cool (Summer) is another problem. Maybe a APU unit for both to run a small electric heater and cooling unit. The other alternative would be a generator. I do not think you really want to idle the truck all night as I think your just looking for trouble with all the emission equip. on that vehicle plus you would have to idle up to be safe from cylinder wash. Don't forget that the Arab's are really disappointed with the price of oil right now.



Dave

 

[machinemover]

I was afraid that's the anwser I'd get. API unit would be the best way to go, but from what I see there $10,000

 

[DavidC]

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!.



Dave

 

[Whiskey]

Try the link below lots of good information!!!!





Overnite Idle - Carson Dodge Chrysler Support

 

[machinemover]

Try the link below lots of good information!!!!





Overnite Idle - Carson Dodge Chrysler Support

Thank you, this was an informative post. This kind of throws a damper in my plans. Thinking about an Rv unit on top of my sleeper then running a generator. Anyway I go it still looks like another $2000 investment at least.

 

[Bob4x4]

Most states have already enacted time limits to diesel engine idling times,3-5 minutes is the avg time allowed IRRC.



Bob

 

[DPKetchum]

Think I'd talk to a Dodge engineer(maybe get a tech to contact STAR) and discuss it with them before I'd say you can't high idle a 6. 7 overnight. That answer from CARSON DODGE seems more of a opinion then a factual answer.

 

[AH64ID]

I do believe that if you leave the EB on and bump the idle up to 1,100 you should be fine. . The increased idle will increase load and increase the cylinder temps to reduce cylinder washing. I have read of quite a few people doing this without plugging the DPF overnight. You may also consider a winter grill cover for winter idling.

You will have to check and see for yourself. . Thou with the amount of towing you do each day I do not see an issue with it... but like I said, test it and see.

A load on the engine will help... Electrical pull??

 

[Shelby Griggs]

From everything I have read about the 6. 7, idling is BAD, but look what is on the Dodge web site:



"Jobsite idling

Dodge Ram 4500 and 5500 Chassis Cabs have low enough emissions that they can idle indefinitely at a jobsite, letting you use their HVAC and electrical features. This is because Dodge Ram 4500 and 5500 Chassis Cabs meet the 2008 Air Resource Board's state diesel emissions standards for medium-duty trucks (which includes CA, CT, DE, GA, ME, NJ, NY, NC, PA and TX). So you can let your truck idle while Ford and GM owners have to automatically shut down after idling five minutes or risk fines in these states. "

 

[HBarlow]

From everything I have read about the 6. 7, idling is BAD, but look what is on the Dodge web site:

"Jobsite idling
Dodge Ram 4500 and 5500 Chassis Cabs have low enough emissions that they can idle indefinitely at a jobsite, letting you use their HVAC and electrical features. This is because Dodge Ram 4500 and 5500 Chassis Cabs meet the 2008 Air Resource Board's state diesel emissions standards for medium-duty trucks (which includes CA, CT, DE, GA, ME, NJ, NY, NC, PA and TX). So you can let your truck idle while Ford and GM owners have to automatically shut down after idling five minutes or risk fines in these states. "

Shelby,

Thanks for posting that link and quote.

That is an interesting find but also puzzling to me. I understood that the engine and driveline of the 3500 cab and chassis was identical to the 4500/5500 series except the differentials in the 4500/5500s are larger, more robust, and have lower gears (higher ratios).

I wonder why 3500s are not included in the statement on the Dodge website? I also wonder if the engine and emissions systems in the larger cab and chassis trucks differ from the 3500s?

I idle my 3500 cab and chassis often with fast idle activated and the tach at about 1000 rpm and have seen no problems with soot accumulation in just under 30,000 miles.

 

[HBarlow]

I sent the following e-mail question to Dodge on their website. If I get a useful reply I will post it here for the benefit of others who own or are considering owning a Ram cab and chassis truck.

"I discovered the following paragraph on the Dodge website:

"Jobsite idling

Dodge Ram 4500 and 5500 Chassis Cabs have low enough emissions that they can idle indefinitely at a jobsite, letting you use their HVAC and electrical features. This is because Dodge Ram 4500 and 5500 Chassis Cabs meet the 2008 Air Resource Board's state diesel emissions standards for medium-duty trucks (which includes CA, CT, DE, GA, ME, NJ, NY, NC, PA and TX). So you can let your truck idle while Ford and GM owners have to automatically shut down after idling five minutes or risk fines in these states. "

I am the satisfied owner of a 2008 Dodge Ram Quad Cab and Chassis. It has been my understanding that the engines, transmissions, and emissions equipment of the 3500 cab and chassis trucks are identical to the 4500/5500 cab and chassis trucks mentioned in the statement on the Dodge website.

My question:

Does the permitted idle statement also apply to my '08 3500 cab and chassis?

Or stated another way, without regard to CARB standards, is it permissible from the perspective of potential soot accumulation in my diesel particulate filter and turbocharger to idle my 3500 for long periods of time also?

Thanks for your assistance.
Harvey Barlow"

I'm not optimistic. I expect my question will be "answered" by some 20-something year old just out of college who owns a small four cylinder econobox and has no clue and no resources from which to answer the question other than a Dodge product guide book. I'll hope and wait.

 

[Bob4x4]

The cab and chassis models have different emissions equipment and software than the pick-ups along with less h/p.

 

[Coalsmoke]

Machine mover, if it were me, I'd just keep an eye on the EGTs. Get the high idle feature enabled and winter fronts for the winter and you should be fine as long as your EGTs don't drop below 300F pre-turbo.

 

[machinemover]

Thanks for all the input. I'm thinking what I will do is run the truck at high Idle for now, but prepare to buy a APU or Rv heat/ac and Generator. Common sense tells me the truck will last longer with limiting the idle time.

 

[HBarlow]

The cab and chassis models have different emissions equipment and software than the pick-ups along with less h/p.

Everyone knows that. Shelby's post was a quote from the Dodge Commercial website stating that 4500/5500 C&C trucks could be idled for long periods of time. The question raised in my post was if the 4500/5500 Rams can be idled indefinitely, how about my Ram 3500 C&C? Can it also be idled for long periods of time with the blessing of Dodge?

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Machinemower, while idling all night in the cold of winter may be a concern, idling at night in hot weather to run the AC should be much less of a concern . . the ambient heat should prevent inadequate combustion temperatures and take care of any concerns of cylinder washdown, wetstacking, etc.

 

[Shelby Griggs]

Harvey, any response from Dodge?

Harvey,



Any response back from Dodge on your inquiry?



SHG

 

[machinemover]

Guess it's going to be a cold winter for me. The only way I see out is an APU unit and the best I can find is $8,000. I also here DOT won't let you idle overnight come 2010. Think I need to win the Lottery!

 

[grasmo]

Even with a dpf should you be concerned about carbon monoxide poisoning with the stock location of the exhaust pipe ???? Just wondering???