Injector heaters anyone?

[The patriot]

OK I've been running WVO for a while now.

At night it's getting down in the 40`s here and it's a PITA sometimes to start in the morning. White smoke (a LOT of it) and missing for the first 15 seconds or so.

My assumption is the WVO is not liking the cold weather. :-laf

Does anyone run the injector heat trace lines that I see out there?

Here are two examples:

eBay Motors: Deluxe injector line heater kit for WVO/SVO conversions (item 140269130335 end time Oct-01-08 09:59:48 PDT)

eBay Motors: DODGE CUMMINS INJECTOR LINE HEATER KIT BIODIESEL,WVO (item 150296885539 end time Oct-20-08 21:01:23 PDT)

Do these work? Will I be able to run WVO through the winter? I have a coil in the tank, but it just aint enough to get the temp up to where it needs to be.

I havent found a way to "source" these line traces either. Any suggestions?

TIA

Eric

 

[cj hall]

heater

Hello Eric



I have had the same issue what works for me is to plug the truck in it should have a block heater this will make it start easy no smoke.



in the summer about 45 min to 90 min should work

winter its all night.



The injection line heaters are ok but they get the oil inside the lines to hot have not seen this happen its just what I have been told.

Good luck

Hope this helps



cj hall

 

[The patriot]

Thanks CJ. I got a reply from "dershagwagon" on his heaters.

"You can typically expect to see a 20 to 30 deg F increase in fuel temps. The heaters are 30" and draw about 9 amps or 120w"

I'm guessing it's 9 amps each. 20-30 deg is nice, but I think I'd need more.

I'd better go work on the grid heaters. They bought the farm last year. :{

 

[cj hall]

heaters

Hello Eric

One other thing what truck are you driving



if its got a cat on it its goning to smoke till it gets hot this is worse in the cold weather than in the hot.



on the 05 that we sold it fell off after I cut the pipe that held it up then I kicked it in to the corner of the garage. :-laf:-laf:-laf



fix the grid heaters and plug it in use the blend I have been using and you will be fine.



hope this helps



cj hall

 

[The patriot]

Mine came with a cat, but I fixed that.

What "blend" are you using?

 

[cj hall]

blend

Hello Eric



I use a Mock DSE Additive and blend a lot different.



I started looking at what the kerosene really did for the vegetable oil and why it was needed. what I found was that it thined the oil very little and added a needed compound , Cetane back to the oil this was needed to off set the octane of the gasoline.



at this point I started looking at what is cetane and how to get it in high %

will what I found was cetane boost and it works great. and I also at about the same time started looking for a replacement for the powerservice additive this was getting hard to find it was about two months off the shelf at walmart because of the usld product change it needed a sticker saying it was ok to use in the 2007 trucks.



I found a product that was cheaper and you used less of so it was better then the powerservice stuff.



Here is the company and person I talked to about the products:



Amalgamated Inc.

The contact person is Randy Walker.

-- email address removed --

phone number 260-489-2549



The New Mix I use. for forty gallons of oil

Gasoline 3 gallons (4 gallons in the fall)(5 gallons for WINTER TIME USE) This might be changing also I will keep posting on this.

Cetane 8oz this replaces the the kerosene

TDR=S 14 oz or 32 oz of the power service (gray bottle)

Mock DSE 6 oz

The last time I ordered this was July 14, 08 the cost was 80. 45 for the Cetane boost (5 gallons) and 135. 73 for the tdr-s additive (5 gallons) PLUS the shipping and was told the price was going higher buy the end of the month.

there you go



cj hall

 

[The patriot]

Thanks CJ. I've been adding Power service at the rate of 1oz per gallon.

I havent added any gasoline or kero yet. I did add some diesel to the WVO before I had the heater in the transfer flow tank. I now know how (little) the small coil helps.

Even with the 1000 watt heater on the "in" side of the coil, it aint doing much.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Patriot if you're running a high percentage of WVO in those kinds of temps you gotta have some gas in there to thin it down. I've never been brave enough to run more than 50% DSE-ized veggie oil fuel in the winter. If you are making a lot of white stinky smoke it'll take a toll on your engine because that veggie oil is sticky stuff and is likely to glom onto rings, valves, etc. then carbonize once the engine does get a good hard run at full operating temp.

I installed one of these inline fuel heaters on my '98 and it does a good job, uses coolant Arctic Fox In-Line Fuel Warmers

Vaughn

 

[The patriot]

Vaughn, do you have an ballpark idea on how much temp rise this will give?

My setup hasnt been makin the grade.

 

[GDMRTN]

I use a auto trans "cooler" that the dodge trucks come with. The one that sits on the engine with coolant runnin thru it. It heats the fuel nicely. Just a cheap alternative heater idea.

 

[LSchulz]

I don't know what you've done to the truck so far, but it looks like you're just running a WVO/Powerservice mix right out of the main tank? If that's the case, and you're having trouble starting, then you should probably think about going to a two tank heated setup before you really hurt things. Burning cold WVO can seriously damage your engine (we blew up a TDI here at school doing that). Cold WVO won't atomize correctly coming out of your injectors, hence the white smoke at startup. When this happens, you're also not burning the WVO completely, which means you're pushing it past your rings and into your crank case, where polymerization causes your engine oil to break down rather rapidly.

Take a look at the Frybrid forums - lots of good info over there.