installing a EZ box (compliments of BILL K.)with a powermax3??

[**ICEMAN**]

due to turbo lag off the line since my transmission upgrade, BILL K. of DTT sent me his ez box( no deposit etc. ,,under the honor/trust system )to use/test to see if it would correct the lag by advancing the timing. the ez needs to use the map sensor plug which my pmx3 is already using,,how do i hook both boxes together? am i correct in understanding that the ez is just a timing box?? i read where it has 3 settings and which one should i use with my setup?? i am definately getting enough fuel now and really didn't want to add any more hp. has anyone ever tried this 2 box combo?? is there a box made solely for timing adv. ? thanks for any info you share!

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[J Allan]

Iceman, I Have the PM3 Compatition Box, I installed the VA ( Plug n Power) box. I had a 200* drop in temp. #ad
on my egt and increased my HP #ad
Now when I hit the WOW WOW pedal, I am loving the Black Smoke followed By My tires White Smoke #ad
To see the setup go to bd-power.com It plugs into the injection pump.

 

[work2muchplay2little]

I have my fueling box plugged into the MAP harness, then the EZ between the fueling box harness and the MAP sensor. The EZ has 3 settings, 1 is timing advance only, 2 is timing advance and mild fueling only at 20psi of boost or above, 3 is timing advance and mild fueling at 5psi of boost and above. Level 3 on mine is very smokey at take-off. I've used mine on 2 and like it very much. DD sells a boost module that is timing only.

Enjoy #ad


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********* 1999 2500 24VCTD AUTO 4x4 QC LB Laramie SLT, Luverne stainless steel nerf bars, 3 piece bug deflector, mopar mud flaps, Line-X bedliner, Blue Chip Fuel Management System (Premium), Psychotty Air, DD3's,TTPM, DD 4" exhaust, HX40, DTT VB/TC(91%) , Mag-Hytec transmission pan... YEEEEEHAAAA!!
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[Bigsaint]

I have beed debating this topic for a while now, as I have a EZ already installed, and a PM COMP adjustable, waiting to be installed, once I get my truck back on line. The newer TST boxes do advance the timing, so I am told, but in a different way than the EZ as the EZ taps into the data link plug and the map sensor, the TST taps into the map sensor and the VP44 wire. Can the combo advance the timing too much ? I don't know. Can you try the boxes together safely, again, I don't know. Personally , I plan to try the TST box out alone and then try the combo, perhaps trying both configurations of the map sensor plug piggyback, i. e. , EZ map plug into the block, then the TST and then the factory map plug and then opposite, TST into block, then EZ and then OEM. I have no idea what the results will be and believe these are un-tested waters. Best of luck and let us know of the results if you attempt same.

Scott W.

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[Bigsaint]

Forgot to add... the Edge EZ is a timing and fuel box, although a minor fueler compared to your TST PM3. Diesel Dynamics sells a version of the EZ box that will do timing only on a certain setting, to help those with the big injectors with smoke.

Scott W.

 

[Briar Hopper]

Thanks to the generosity of a special friend out west, I was able to try the combination just recently. I used a G-Tech and made several runs on the same stretch of bear-free county road. Semi-unscientific. A dyno would have given better comparision numbers, but I had no time to schedule one.
I tried it with a PowerMax3 Competition version, set to level 6. I showed an average of 470 HP on 3 runs.
Hooked up the EZ Edge, did 3 runs. No change, average of 470 HP.
Changed settings in EZ, BIG BLACK CLOUDS on takeoff, woohoo, 3 more runs. Average of 470 HP.
I did observe a 1 mpg increase on 2 tanks of fuel, then no increase on one tank.
This is with DD 3's, and an Hx40, putting it to the ground through a Donnelly Re-Engineered Sachs clutch in front of a NV4500.
No reasonable or satisfactory conclusions arrived at, as far as I'm concerned. Testing time on a dyno would be most beneficial.
Seat of the pants, and eyeballing the boost gauge, turbo lag was about the same.
BUT... this combination has worked wonders for others, you definitely need to try it for yourself. I'm disappointed it didn't work for me, and will be trying one again, more thoroughly next time. With all the variables, and the limited amount of time I had to work with, I might have missed a variable here or there...



[This message has been edited by Briar Hopper (edited 05-27-2001). ]

 

[KatDiesel]

<font color=blue>I noticed in your signature you have the "J-hook" which to me would indicate your running the 9cm² HY35??? Is this the case or have you changed the turbo? Which converter do you have? Do you plan on doing any turbo grades, seems you would need to when using a box as strong as the PowerMax³ ... ecspecially on the upper levels for EGT control. <font size=-2>

[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (Eric Howard) (edited 05-27-2001). ]

 

[TXRam]

Proper connection method is - MAP sensor-PM3-EZ-OEM Wiring Harness.

Reason is the EZ doesn't care about anything over 20psi, the major fueling boxes do - if you connect the EZ to the MAP sensor, it will only let you PM3 see 20psi b/c it also has a boost module built in. With PM3 connected to the MAP sensor, it sees full bost but the EZ only sees 0-20psi, which is all it needs.

I have been trying the EZ on different settings with my set-up - 275's (for now), Hot PE, HX40. I like it best where fueling doesn't achieve max until 20psi (I believe that is the setting closest to the middle of the box), least smoke, best MPG (up over 1MPG over 7 tanks), and still gives a nice increase in power.

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1999 2500 QC 4X4 LB Auto (DTT Upgraded), 4. 10LS, 275HP Injectors, PowerEdge, PowerEdge EZ, unmodified HX40, SPA Boost and EGT, K&N Air Filter, Magnaflow straight-thru muffler
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[This message has been edited by TXRam (edited 05-27-2001). ]

 

[**ICEMAN**]

thanks to all for the replies,,TXRAM,the way you say to connect is the way i was thinking it should. am i mistaken or is the way work2much stated reversed? this bombing gets more confusing as i go! seems like every upgrade needs another upgrade to make it all work together. i believe it all started when i slid the plate forward on the '94. my pmx3 is not that old and i dont believe it does any timing mods. i will call tst and find out(MARK CHAPPLE,you out there?). KAT,i have the 91% and yes to the hy35 that makes 45lbs of boost which i guess is helping control the egt's. after i get this dual box deal installed i am puttin in my t/c saver,ordering a fuel pressure gauge,and then working on the egt's

[This message has been edited by **ICEMAN** (edited 05-27-2001). ]

 

[work2muchplay2little]

Iceman, just went and checked. My original post is reversed from the way I actually have it. I have it like TXRam indicated. Boost pressures peak at 45psi. Almost no smoke above 10-15 psi.

 

[**ICEMAN**]

thanks W2MP2L,now i got the map connection. is the data link connection where the timing part of the ez is controlled?will i loose any of the 45lbs boost i see now after hooking the boxes together? my 01 hardly smokes now when tromped,,im guessing that the fuel to boost ratio must be in sync,,would like to see some when its tromped though,,my 94 definately makes some clouds but also tends to see high egt's quicker with a boost of 35lbs. i will try and hook the ez up tommorrow and post the results

 

[**ICEMAN**]

also was wandering if the pmx3 being adjustable would effect the ez anyway,,( like when i back it down to level 5 or so when towing? ) wow,,all this for a little turbo lag out of the hole!

 

[Briar Hopper]

Yeah, all this for getting rid of a little turbo lag out of the hole... Whatever it takes to run the quarter quicker than the other guys...
Go for it, ICEMAN, and let us know how it does...

 

[Mopar-muscle]

i have been till today running my borrowed EZ before my PE , which i hardly ever use with the combo of DD3's and the EZ , i always wondered if EZ should be first or not , but never thought of calling PE to find out . anywho , as far as the PM3 changing timing , if you look at it this way , ALL the post electronic fueling boxes change timing , by allowing a larger ( longer??) shot of fuel you are in essence changing the timing . am i mistaken ?

 

[CCahill]

Heres a little info on the fueling/timing specs on the EZ... Hope this helps...

Hello Colin,
Fueling starts at the same point in all 3 levels. the difference is the amount of fuel given.

Level 1 we decrease amount of additional fueling over stock until 20 psi
Level 2 we decrease amount of additional fueling over stock until 15 psi
Level 3 we decrease amount of additional fueling over stock until 10 psi
timing is the same for all 3 levels

has the wastegate been disabled??
if you want to try something out. Plug off the line completely to see how much boost is built then that will tell you if the elbow is woirking right if the boost turns out to be alot more than call me or e-mail and I will send you out a new one.
vis grips on the rubber line
or 1/8 plug where the elbow goes
sorry about the problem make sure you let me know what happens

ps... if you see my message in blue and you know why PLEASE let me know why its freaken blue?

Thanks,
Aaron
aaron@edgeproductsinc.com
801-476-3343



-----Original Message-----
From: Colin [mailto:ccahill@jps.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:25 PM
To: brett@edgeproductsinc.com
Subject: ?'s


Aaron,
Thank you for the quick response. . I am still curious about the different settings... does #1 give timing and fuel, and at what rpm or boost rate, same for 2 and 3 ?... ... Also with the jumper at # 2 setting, boost elbow and with BDII's, I'm only getting 20# of boost, max... ... this is an 01 truck with AT, I know I have the small 9cm2 turbo, but the boost still seems low... . checked hoses and everything seems OK... any ideas ?
Thank you again,
Colin



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[**ICEMAN**]

ok,,got it in,,took just a few minutes but wanted to be sure of the way to connect. feels real good with both boxes!!! i was doing my testing with the pmx on 9 and the ez on 3. throttle response is very positive,,can really feel the extra hp that was added on top of what the pmx was already giving me. the turbo lag out of the hole was decreased by approx. 50% ,,,for some reason the shifts seemed a little less harsh running the 2 box combo???also it wanted to hang in 3rd a little longer than usual before going to o. d. ??? ,,also at i lost about 5 lbs of boost at WOT (was 45 with pmx,now 40 with the combo)?? even just cruisin 70mph boost was a little less than normal. nice cloud of black when she's tromped now!!!! EGT'S get up there a little quicker. would changing the settings on the ez make any difference on the above issues? i'm trying to decide whether the price of the ez is worth the xtra ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!!with the combo what do you figure the hp/torque at the flywheel is?

 

[**ICEMAN**]

all i can say to PSD & DMAX guys is *****!!!!CHIP THIS!!!!***** #ad


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94 2500 4x4 SLT,auto,190,000 miles,3:54,brilliant blue/silver,tst 250/635 set full forward,star wheel wide open,air box ported,pump turned up 20%,k&n,gauges,cat gutted,tuff country 2" front leveling kit
**2001. 5 3500 4x4 q-cab slt,auto,10,000 miles,3:55lsd,brite silver,HY35,DTT v/b & t/c(91%),tst power max 3 adjustable,j-hook,3 gauges on the a-pillar,2" tuff country front leveling kit,vinyl graphics,DEE ZEE lighted runnin boards,both have 12k hitches&15k's in the beds,30ft fourwinds 5er,(MY RAMS) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1360183&a=10142301

 

[**ICEMAN**]

and try and keep your eyes on this as it fades away!!! #ad

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Hello Mr. Iceman,

Bill assured me you were not one of his lunatic customers that got the bombing disease, so i bet him, i said it was a man thing,and you wouldnt be able fight your dna,

I want to thank you for helping me win some dinero off off Mr. Bill, see i bet him that you would not be able to help yourself and would stack the boxes & run it to the max, and shut my mouth(lol) you did. Sooo,i will just have to collect from the transmission man tomorrow when he reads your post. (lol) ,

Um, i thought you were testing , wasnt it turbo lag out of the hole, not at 100mph? and one box at a time, thanks again, I knew i could count on you Dodge boy,

PS, nice truck,

Shanti Kondolay

 

[**ICEMAN**]

shanti,,i will test the out of the hole lag with one box off and the other on etc and let ya all know what i find,,but i thought since they were both here i would give em a try stacked and wide open just to see,,i always like to start at the top! not that i would ever run the truck stacked and maxed all the time,,now i know what i have on reserve in case of an emergency! you are good,,you called it right about the dna. how much was the bet? actually though, with the boxes hooked together i can shut the pmx3 off with a flick of a switch and it will be just the ez working.