is 6BTA really a JI Case Originally?

[akdiesel]

I work at parts store in Juneau Alaska. We like many other retail/wholesale stores have a turn-over issue w/employees. Just hired a new guy prob. about 40-50 yrs old, has an answer for everytrhing, has done everything, nothing impresses him and likes to boast his knowledge on us slightly younger folks. He claims that the Dodge Cummins mtr is really a Case mtr. He told me "I popped the hood on girl friend's Dodge all excited to see a Cummins under the hood and was shocked to a Case mtr, well I don't have a problem w/case I used to run one They're tough" Is this so or is he just another JACK ***?

 

[pathaymond]

Cummins is cummins and case uses cummins in there equipment.

I own Cummins stock and Case is never mentioned in the prospectus. I was told the 5. 9 was used original in englands rapid transit system and That its the same basic design as used back in the 50s I guess. Sounds like your guy might be an expert though so maybe I am misinformed Iwill find out soon enough wont I.

Bye for now.

 

[B9Mile]

http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/Facts/diesel_sales.htm





Brief history of the Dodge Ram / Cummins Diesel combination (From TDR #1)



The Cummins B series (3. 9L 4 cylinder and 5. 9L six cylinder) diesel was developed in the early 1980's as a joint venture between Cummins and Case tractor. Cummins was to provide the engine expertise, Case the production volume. In 1984, an active step van/ bread truck repower program for the Ford E350 and GM P30 chassis was successfully promoted by Cummins.



As B production capacity expanded, Cummins began actively seeking a major OEM entry for the 6B 5. 9L engine in a pickup truck chassis. The 6B was seen by Dodge as a possibility for the aging Ram 250 and 350 which had no diesel option. In late 1986, Dodge and Cummins reached an agreement to target the 1998 model year for the ram diesel. Cumins accepted the engineering challenge of mating the engine to the existing Dodge Ram chassis. As unseen technical problems surfaced, the introduction was rescheduled for the 1989 model.



The first year forecast was for less than 8,000 Dodge diesel pickups, with sales expected to grow by 3,000 trucks each following year. Ram diesel sales for 1989 surpassed 16,000 trucks and the numbers have continued to grow.



Cummins data indicates that the life of the B engine in a medium duty truck is slightly over 300,000 miles. Estimated engine life in the pickup is unknown because few engines have failed or worn out, and there are numerous reports of over 800,000 miles.

 

[HBrunton]

Case and Komatsu both but their engines from Cummins without a warranty. Ther then put their own Name,serial number and cpl numbers on the data plate. They are then put in various pieces of equipment and have a wattanty from the Mfgr, not Cummins.

All of the parts are interchangeable with each other. If you call Cummins with one of the s/n's from a Case or a Komatsu tagged engine Cummins will not know what you are talking about. If you have a good parts guy at the Cummins place they should be able to figure out what is compatable for the engine.

I work in a Komatsu dealership and this has been the way it has been explained to me. On the bright side of things, if you are down and out somewhere you may be able to go to either a Case farm eqpt or construction eqpt dealership or a Komatsu construction dealership and get out of a jam.

 

[KB0OU]

I the mid 1980's Jayco travel trailer transport now called Jet started putting Cummins B series engines in crew cab Chevy pickup trucks to haul their travel trailers with. I know one of the original mechanics involved, they had a close relationship with Cummins and he still does, working on extended oil usage with them now. Cummins B series engines have been documented to go well over 1,000,000 that is Million miles without major problems running in a pickup hauling rv's.

 

[KB0OU]

In the mid 1980's Dodge offered the Mitsubishi diesel engine in the Dodge pickup, I saw a few, they did not sell real well, I think they were underpowered and Mitsubishi had supply problems. I don't think the Mitsubishi engine was turbocharged.

 

[rrausch]

I saw a Case Back hoe on a job site a few years ago, and ambled over to look at the engine. It was a twin to my Cummins but as I recall the nameplate said something like "Consolidated Motor Co. " or something like that. But my understanding is that our 6BT's did start out as Case Tractor motors!



Only in America could a little Tractor motor grow up to be a 700 H. P. , 11 Sec. Muscle Truck!! Hey I just made that up... Muscle Truck! I like that!

 

[akdiesel]

Thanks for info guys. I've had my run in with these types of answer for everything guys, but sounds like he might be for real, I give him credit, this time!

 

[Jff24Gordn]

I think the Mitsu were in the Dodges in 78 and 79 and non turbo 4L.

 

[R.E. Miller]

Yeah, after working for the "C", you learn a lot pretty quick. The company associated with the "B" engines was Consolidated Diesel. Just FYI.



Russell



P. S. Don't be scared about joint ventures, many of the cummins products are joint ventures with komatsu. There are some real "sweet" engines on their way (keeping my mouth shut ) Just wait. Camshafts as big as "B" engine bores..... yippy

 

[akdiesel]

I just thought that maybe this"new" guy we got working for us might be totally full of ^%$. I love my Cummins regardless of the joint venture. After all in the automotive world there is alot of manufactures' in bed with each other kind of like is a Mazda

B-4000 a Ford Ranger or is Ranger a B-4000? So no concerns here just checkin up on our new employee's "Knowledge" since I had to proove to him that Dana 60 in 76 Ford didn't have ball joints but had trunion bearings.

 

[Wayno]

Can yall actually believe that . That old 40 to 50 year old man really new what he was talking about . I guess it could be worse . One of my co-workers at my job quit a sort time back and he was like that , been everywhere , done everything , nothing he couldn't do. I still ain't figured out how he did (and know) so much at 25 years of age .

 

[akdiesel]

Well I tell ya I'm only 29 and learned a few years ago that I know nothing! My first real step to a little wisdom I guess Love to have knowledge being dropped on me, but learning how to spot the b. s. 'ers I guess. I'm sure that I'll see my fair share of Know-It-Alls guess I'm just a sucker for all their wild stories and legends!

 

[lschultz]

I know all of yall are not that way-but

Originally posted by Wayno

Can yall actually believe that . That old 40 to 50 year old man really new what he was talking about . I guess it could be worse . One of my co-workers at my job quit a sort time back and he was like that , been everywhere , done everything , nothing he couldn't do. I still ain't figured out how he did (and know) so much at 25 years of age .

Was he one of those Yankees? No offense to you fellows up above us. We got one left here now and he is on 3rd shift. :-{} :-{} constantly and he is not married.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Larry: What's wrong with Yankees?!



Matt - Yankee by birth/mentality, Cheesehead by choice...

 

[lschultz]

Well I knew I would get one Theres nothing wrong with y'all.

Everybody has a place on this earth. It is just some that I have been around have been a pain in the a**. Theres good ones and bad ones in all of us. I (try) to people as they treat me.

 

[Grey Wolf]

We used to joke about a guy at my work that was about like your new work peer. One time we added up all of his various jobs and the years that he worked at them and guess what he turned out to be 130 years old

 

[MCharlebois]

Yankee

hey now-dont let one @@#$%^# make you think everyone is like that--i just take everything in and decide for myself whats bs and whats not-why argue with someone you think is full of **** ..... most likely they will argue all day with ya!!!!-i was foreman for 4 years befor i started my own biz... the HARDEST part was trying to everyone happy--what a bunch of BULLshirt--no matter where you go there you are--if your an ass#@$% in VT . . your an ass#@$% everywhere... ... ... PERIOD



ZEN Rules

 

[akdiesel]

I've worked in this same auto parts store now for 7 years and in the past I learned that I can find just about any project to do to escape these Einsteins. True MCchalrebois not everyone is like that and no matter where I go I will forever continue to run into these dorks, and well I can't say that I haven't been a N. I. All a time or to myself, no body's perfect except for the full time N. I. All!

 

[B9Mile]

Some More "Case" Info

Whomever started the ball rolling on this joint venture has surely made his mark. And to think it all started with humble beginnings way back when in Columbus, Indiana with a deal between a banker (Mr. Irwin) and a chauffeur (Clessie Cummins).



Its all right here in these two books:

The Diesel Odyssey of Clessie Cummins

The Engine That Could: Seventy-Five Years of Values-Driven Change at Cummins Engine Company







http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0EIN/2001_Oct_18/79238671/p1/article.jhtml



2,000,000th Engine Produced by Joint Venture Between Cummins and Case Corporation.

Business Wire, Oct 18, 2001



Business Editors and Automotive Writers



COLUMBUS, Ind. --(AutomotiveWire)--Oct. 18, 2001



Cummins Inc. (NYSE: CUM) today announced that the 2,000,000th diesel engine to be produced by Consolidated Diesel Co. (CDC), a joint venture between Cummins and Case Corp. , rolled off the production line at 9 a. m. on Wednesday, October 10, 2001.



The Cummins 9-liter ISL 330-horsepower engine will be delivered to Peterbilt Motors Co. of Denton, Texas, a division of PACCAR Inc. It will power a Model 357 Peterbilt chassis dump truck for construction application with D III Transport Corp. of San Diego, Calif.



"The ISL has performed great for us," said Don Daley III, manager -- D III Transport Corp. "The reliability of this engine has been excellent, and the low maintenance has helped our operating costs. "



"We are pleased and delighted to celebrate this major milestone in CDC history, which marks a highly successful joint venture between Cummins and Case," said Tom Kieffer, executive director - marketing at Cummins. "Moreover, we are equally gratified to note that our longtime strategic relationship with Peterbilt and PACCAR is symbolically highlighted with the production of this 2,000,000th engine from CDC. "



"We have been fortunate to have strong partners in this joint venture," said David Selheim, general manager - Consolidated Diesel Co. "We have produced a tremendous amount of products at this facility. We are proud of this 2,000,000th engine milestone. "



Located in Whitakers, N. C. , CDC was formed in October 1980 and produced its first engine on July 1, 1983. The company produces a wide range of medium-duty electronic and mechanical diesel, natural gas and propane engines, as well as components.



In addition to Peterbilt and PACCAR, major customers for CDC include Case, Freightliner, Blue Bird, Monaco, Spartan, Onan, Komatsu, Gradall and Thomas Built Bus. Engines produced by CDC are used for tractors, combines, log skidders, backhoes, medium- and heavy-duty trucks, buses, RVs, power generation and marine applications.



With 1,400 employees, the 1. 2 million-sq-ft plant on 265 acres is capable of producing 650 engines per day during two shifts.



The CDC's mission is to be a world-class producer of engines and components of the highest quality and the lowest cost, delivered on time to meet all customers' expectations.



Cummins, headquartered in Columbus, Ind. , is the world's largest producer of commercial diesel engines above 50 horsepower. The company provides products and services for customers in markets worldwide for engines, power generation and filtration. Cummins reported sales of $6. 6 billion in 2000. Press releases by fax may be requested by calling News on Demand (toll-free) at 888-329-2305. Cummins' home page on the Internet can be found at www.cummins.com.