Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) is no plate bad?

[KFowers]

I have a 94 2500 5 speed and have been running it with no plate for about 10 months. My question is this the way to get max hp and is it bad for the pump. thanks

 

[EBottema]

No, I talked to a injection pump expert and he said no, its horrible for the pump. The plate acts a a stop for the rack assembly and after time, the ball on the rack can fall in the pump and ruin it. Best way to get HP is get a good plate...

 

[JGK]

I second what EBottema said. I, too, talked to a Bosch tech the other day and he brought up the fact that some run with no plate. Same comment, if you're not real careful, eventually the rack stop will fail and ruin the pump. He said when you put your foot into it and run the rack to the end, it smacks that stop kinda hard. Not a good thing. Go plateless at your own risk.



-Jay

 

[vssman]

Uh - Here we go again... . :-{}



Do a search on plateless. You'll be reading for a long time.

 

[KFowers]

thanks you all have been a good help

 

[Bob4x4]

You will make more power with a good plate properly adjusted than no plate at most rpm levels and pedal positions.



Bob

 

[HoleshotHolset]

:-laf



I went plateless for a LONG time in my '94...



Matt

 

[CATCRACKER]

my sig should state my postion but this is not to say it is better. i am going to grind my own plate flat and see how that works. i have been without a plate for 7mo. in my opinion 250 for a plate is rediculous. hell you can find an electronic box for that and all the plate is a piece of metal. sorry vendors good work bad price point. $50 should be more like it. but anyhow i am running no plate and loving it. to each his own... .

 

[EBottema]

Ya, plates are too expensive! But running plateless can be more expensive. Pick your own poison... hehe

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Ya, plates are too expensive! But running plateless can be more expensive. Pick your own poison... hehe

I've heard about 2 people in the last year messing up their pumps from mal-adjusted governor levers... How many pumps have you heard fail from running plateless?



This is one of those infamous TDR debates that could last for days. :-laf



To each his own.



Matt

 

[Turbo Thom]

Now whats this "ball" you say will fall into the pump. I know of quite a few trucks runnin without a pump plate. I don't understand the failure part. I do agree the plate shapes the torque curve but the failure, I need an explanation to appreciate your statement. I run the plate because the power is not a "controlled" application without it. I ran a while with mine out and had a problem controlling the foot pressure.



Saying that, if I were racing, the plate would be in the trash. That,s because the 12v is the only diesel engine I'd race. An old man talking.



. . Preston. .

 

[EBottema]

I'm not too sure how it all works inside but i was told the injection rail runs on this ball and the plate is the stopping point for the ball. Anyways, without a plate in can fall into the pump...



Erik

 

[drawson]

Running w/o a plate and with a plate in too far forward so that the rocker doesn't come in contact with it does the same thing. I have seen two dead pumps at the local pump shop one being plate less and the other have a ground plate too far forward.



I have also seen more than one truck dyno less w/o a plate or being too far forward, than with a good plate. IMO it is because w/o contact of the rocker the rack bouces around from engine vibration until the governer pulls it back.



I am partial to my #0 plate because I like being in control of the torque curve, but earlier I ran a #12, #11, & #10 plates. A plate is such a small investment in $ I really can't see why anyone would risk problems with a $3K injection pump?