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Is TDR Too Conservative On Biodiesel?

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With very few exceptions, I have found TDR postings to be quite favorable toward the use of biodiesel up to and including B100. Yet, in reviewing my present and past TDR magazines I have found most of the staff writers to be overly cautious concerning any use of biodiesel.



To be sure, one has to be cautious about the source of the biodiesel as it is being made anywhere from a backyard shop to a large commercial refinery.



Cummins obviously has been caught with their pants down. The use of biodiesel has grown rapidly and they have not done the testing required before they can make an endorsement. (Forget Dodge, Cummins calls the shots. )



But let's look at common sense. The diesel engine was originally designed by Otto Diesel with the intent to run on vegetable oil. Biodiesel offers more lubricity than petro and burns a lot cleaner. When you run it in a Cumminms it quiets the engine and gives cleaner exhaust emissions.



The only concern that has generally been raised is that biodiesel acts as a solvent and can destroy rubber and other organic comp[ounds over time. So can petro and gasoline to a lesser extent. Last time I checked, our engines were made out of metal. From various posts on the TDR I am lead to believe that at least the VP44 has Viton flexible parts. Viton is not affected by biodiesel.



If you check online forums for Mercedes and VW's you also find overwhelming encouragement to use biodiesel.



It appears to me that the introduction of ULSF poses far more challenge than using biodiesel. I remember the early 90's in CA when they changed the petro diesel mix resulting in major costly problems.
 
Unfortunately publications, due to the infamous liability and accountability, are hesitant to endorse, encourage, or otherwise talk favorably about any product that hasn't been thoroughly 'inspected, tested and approved' by a higher power--in this case it's the engine and fuel system manufacturers.



Plus, many people aren't mechanically or technically inclined and don't understand the principles of how biodiesel is manufactured, and would take a magazine endorsement as an A-OK to dump 35 gallons of Wesson cooking oil in their fuel tank on a January morning without any other precautions.



Do an internet search on how many people have freaked out when one use of B100 plugs their fuel filters and read about how much they think biodiesel is now "unsafe and bad" for their vehicles... You'll quickly understand why the "media" hasn't jumped on the cheerleading bandwagon---perhaps not all of their readers are ready for it just yet. ;)



JMHO,

Dan
 
B100 here and loving it as well. I have nearly 2 years and around 40k miles or more with out a single hitch.
 
My truck is liking the B-99. I have noticed a very slight decrease in mpg, but that does not bother me. I wold like to see a lot more bio-diesel out there, and more funding from the feds going that way as opposed to the feds spending money on Hybrid gassers.



steve
 
Dl5treez said:
many people have freaked out when one use of B100 plugs their fuel filters and read about how much they think biodiesel is now "unsafe and bad" for their vehicles...



Let them stand in the shadows quivering with fear and I will gladly make and run it with glee :D
 
I love running B100. The engine is so quiet. I love the exhaust smell.



I don't like that it's $3. 41 a gallon. A solid 2 MPG drop in mileage, 15-18 days between fillups (it's 30+ w/ B20) and about 70 less miles per tank.
 
It took over a year to get the alternative fuel forum here and I think we only got it because we suddenly got an alternative fuel sponsor.
 
We first had B2 at the farm. Now it is B11. On and off-road fuel. Seems to work quite well.



Have been finding a few more truck stops offering it. Including some Petro and Flying J locations. Some places have it cheaper the reg. diesel. Some do not.



The Ram seems to like it better as well.
 
I don't mind the caution that the writers use. I just can't stand the BS they try spreading. I don't have my magazine handy so I won't try to quote anything now, but there's just so much garbage in each article.



I don't let it stop me. About B30 in mine, B100 in dad's '03.
 
I'd be more than willing to run bio if I could find it anywhere near here. Hopefully as availability continues to expand, we will get something local.
 
I have been running B100 I make my self since May of 2005, I have not had any problems except when the temps get bellow 35 deg F I have to run a blend. This winter I will start to experiment with blends of bio and #2. My fuel is made from 90% canola oil 10% peanut oil.
 
Cummins and DC are promoting B20 pretty well. Let's face it... . B20 has a high likelihood of being the next #2 diesel in the not-too-distant future. It's benefits from an emission standpoint are hard to ignore.
 
Early on in this thread someone said Otto Diesel originally designed the diesel engine to run on vegetable oil. Maybe so, but the successful diesel engine was made by Rudolph Diesel, and I seem to recall it first ran on a coal slurry.

Anyone such as myself who has no warranty left can use whatever they choose. But right now, as far as I know, no manufacturer is permitting anything more than B20 on warranteed engines. Maybe this will change in time, but I didn't put a drop of BIO in mine until after the warranty expired.
 
EMD-Run8 said:
Cummins and DC are promoting B20 pretty well. Let's face it... . B20 has a high likelihood of being the next #2 diesel in the not-too-distant future. It's benefits from an emission standpoint are hard to ignore.



Good points. Also, I like the fact that we can make that 20% from waste oils, chicken guts, surplus crops, algae etc. . This is what's neat about diesel engines. The fuel can be produced from almost anything.

Mike
 
Jefff929 said:
I have only run straight B100 once. My truck loves any combo from B5 to B50. I think it runs better too.





Same here, I am pushing probably about 3 years on regular use of bio. . On B100 (which I have probably 5-10,000 miles with) it is slightly more sluggish but still runs great. I have not had any pump or any related problems whatsoever, and have never heard of anyone having any problems with their Cummins around here... Diesel is in a shortage right now in the intermountain west so B50 is regularly available all around the state. .
 
I don't understand the "not" using bio until the warranty expires.

Either way if something should some how happen, you pay for it. So now or in a few thousand miles you get to write a check (if something went wrong)

There is always the chance the dealer won't catch the fact we are running bio and cover the repair.

Dennis
 
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