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[rx7pat]

NRS 706. 521 Temporary permit for certain motor vehicles; fee.



1. Any person has the option, in lieu of causing a commercial motor vehicle as defined in 49 C. F. R. § 350. 105 which has a gross vehicle weight rating or combined gross vehicle weight rating in excess of 10,000 pounds to be licensed pursuant to the provisions of NRS 482. 482 or 706. 841, of purchasing a temporary permit and paying a fee of $5 plus 15 cents for each mile the Department estimates the vehicle will travel within the State of Nevada during the effective period of the temporary permit.



2. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 3, a temporary permit authorizes operation over the highways of this State from point of entry to point of exit for not more than 24 consecutive hours.



3. The Department may issue to the owner or operator of a common motor carrier of passengers a temporary permit which authorizes operation for not more than 120 consecutive hours.



4. If a person is issued a temporary permit pursuant to the provisions of this section, the Department shall credit the cost of that permit against the cost of any license subsequently issued to that person pursuant to the provisions of either NRS 482. 482 or 706. 841 whose effective dates include the effective dates of the temporary permit, or if that license fee has been satisfied, against any fee owed to the Department pursuant to the provisions of chapter 366 of NRS.



(Added to NRS by 1971, 706; A 1973, 696; 1979, 1077; 1981, 1050; 1985, 1844, 2130; 1987, 608; 1989, 1410; 1993, 1986; 1995, 314; 1997, 323; 2009, 468)



It gets worse. It's not a fine, but a Mandatory court appearance, and it gets better TWO POINTS on your driving record according to the officer who issued it.



Two points????... . not paying some unknown money grab fee for the privileged of driving into another state because you live in and therefore licensed your vehicle in your home state, is the same as a DUI? Really?



Plus for you to comply, before you enter the state, and then DAILY while there. Only commercial fleets can buy one for multiple days (120hrs), not an option for an individual, or non-fleet operator.

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E-mail from rx7pat is this true

 

[HBarlow]

What's your point? You didn't provide any context or reason for your concern so it's difficult for us to understand why you posted it or offer comments or suggestions.

 

[rx7pat]

sorry missed start of thread. Warning to anyone driving a Full size P/U (or larger vehicle) into the state of Nevada. They had a sting going into Las Vegas tonight pulling over a great number of vehicles upon entering the state.



Just got ticketed for this. Who would know? Just a major money scam.

 

[Newt]

motor vehicle as defined in 49 C. F. R. § 350. 105

Without knowing what this says, it's kind of hard to know what you are talking about.

Newt

 

[rx7pat]

from Navda dmvhttp://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/mc-ab372-nov09.pdf

http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/mc-ab372-may09.pdf

 

[goodguys75]

sorry missed start of thread. Warning to anyone driving a Full size P/U (or larger vehicle) into the state of Nevada. They had a sting going into Las Vegas tonight pulling over a great number of vehicles upon entering the state.



Just got ticketed for this. Who would know? Just a major money scam.

they cant do this... they have to have probable cause to pull you over..... if you do have some kind of violation then they can address this issue... where in nv... never heard of this... ... . and hwy patrol does not have the man power to do this at state line..... unless metro was involved... .

 

[WILLD420]

Little tip for people.

The state of nevada is all about charging money for anything it can. If they can wring an extra $100 out of 1,000 people a year, they just paid for more social programs and welfare. If you don't like it, I recommend you don't travel through this state or pay any money to this place by patronizing the businesses.

Raise a stink, complain to the business owners and people with money. Maybe they can fix it, but I doubt it. This place is worse than Commiefornia in many ways.

 

[MMeier]

sorry missed start of thread. Warning to anyone driving a Full size P/U (or larger vehicle) into the state of Nevada. They had a sting going into Las Vegas tonight pulling over a great number of vehicles upon entering the state.



Just got ticketed for this. Who would know? Just a major money scam.

Pat, and you've lived here how long ??:-laf What were you driving when they got you ?

 

[MMeier]

they cant do this... they have to have probable cause to pull you over..... if you do have some kind of violation then they can address this issue... where in nv... never heard of this... ... . and hwy patrol does not have the man power to do this at state line..... unless metro was involved... .

Apparently you have never driven by the check point at Sloan whn they are open, few weeks ago when I went by there, there must have been 50 different HP vehicles around that darn place !!!

 

[goodguys75]

Apparently you have never driven by the check point at Sloan whn they are open, few weeks ago when I went by there, there must have been 50 different HP vehicles around that darn place !!!

that does not mean there were officers there... I know for a fact that stateline is a little low on man power..... and if there were 50 nhp officers there then there were none in the city or rural areas. fyi

 

[MMeier]

Looked like the ones I saw all had NHP uniforms on . A few years back when I was running the dually commercially, they were looking to make sure everyone had their registration current for the new year... who knows, maybe thats what they were after.

 

[RVTRKN]

I read the link to Nevada DMV, they are targeting the through State travel for hotshoting. There is a big auto action just north of Vegas that has Auto Transporters using 3500's with Wedge trailers. It reminds me of the #^*!@$ scales in Arizona on I-15 its only about 20 miles of Highway and has no purpose other than to travel through to Utah from Nevada, and force you into paying the Arizona transporting fees. They target commercial RV transporters, and will force you into the office to make sure you have paid your permits for Arizona travel. :{







Also, its like what California has done with commercial registrations for Pickups, targeting the loophole of regular 3500's avoiding the true commercial fees for hire. I think its coming from the trucking Lobby thats losing business to Hotshoting.



This will happen a lot more in other States as the GVWR's get even higher through compitition of the Big Three.

 

[GAmes]

It is a tempary permit system, like ID, NM, MT and AZ for commercial haulers and has been in existance for over a year. The sad thing is the only way to get one is through private companies, by phone, which also charge a fee. At least in the other states you can get the permit at the scales. It does not affect tourists pulling RVs.

 

[gtoli]

they cant do this... they have to have probable cause to pull you over..... if you do have some kind of violation then they can address this issue...

Apparently it applies to commercial carriers who they don't need probable cause to stop.

 

[MelvinPierce]

COMMERCIAL only, does not apply for private use. They are just enforcing current law.

ALL commercial units need licenses. If you are not prorated, you need trip permits. Been the law in almost all states for decades or more.

I own a trucking company.

 

[MMeier]

COMMERCIAL only, does not apply for private use. They are just enforcing current law.

True, but at the same time, it seems some states are trying to find a new pot of gold for them selves. I. E. , few years back , Texas was pulling over every race trailer they came across, then would decide if you were just Joe Schmoe, or someone trying to make a living by racing every big dollar, divisional or national event you could get into. And with states losing their play money nowadays, they will concentrate on whatever they want to fill that void. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if in a few years they will require trip permits or apportioned tags on bigger trucks (dually) and RV's. Afterall, they are only registered in one state, that big 20k # RV doesn't pay road use taxes in every state it travels through. Anyways, my . 02 next !

 

[rx7pat]

It was a guy I auto cross with this is what he was drivingon Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:14 pm



I was driving a Ryder rental truck with Ryder's DOT on the side. We also have our companies DOT number on the side. We pay apportioning fees (aka fuel taxed base upon mileage driven in different states, regardless of the state the fuel was purchased in). We also have "NOT FOR HIRE" tags on the vehicle.



I don't see in the wording, and the cop indicated this was not a commercial requirement, that it applied to all vehicles over 10k. He also stated that the apportioned paperwork didn't apply, as the fee was a state fee (not federal re-allocation of fuel taxes) and applicable to all non-Nevada registered vehicles.



I can't find anything in the law that states it applies to commercial vehicles only. The Ryder truck is under 26001lbs, and only two axle, so it is not a "commercial truck" per Federal law, and as such no CDL is required to drive it. BUT... . for arguments sake, P/U's are registered as a commercial vehicle in the state of CA, no matter your usage. So the "commercial" argument may not hold water.



We'll see how this plays out. Have daily permits for each day till we leave now.

 

[jelag]

I didn't go to the web sight and check out the rule sighted but I'm sure it has to do with only commercial vehicles... and I'm guessing they are looking for those guys who should have proper identification on the side of the truck and should be following the law but are trying to skate by.....

If you drive commercially and you don't have NV as a state listed on your cab card, or for that matter any state you drive through... . you need a permit to cross the state... some permits are a flat fee, others are by the mile and the fine for not getting that permit if your cab card doesn't have the state listed is usually about 10 times what the permit would cost... .

It used to be that trucks would stop in a state and get fuel and thus pay for the roads... now with a truck that can carry 300 or 400 gals and pass through some of the states they now ask for a road tax per mile...

The DOT card holder (company) must record the miles driven in each state and remit to that state not only an application fee (annually) for that state to be named on their cab card, plus a cents per mile while you drive in that state...

I'm sure all of you have seen the placard on the back of some trucks that says ""this truck pays $6,500 in road uses taxes annually"" or a statement like that... its the fee's mentioned above that generate that much revenue when you add them up and you drive a truck commercially for 75-80K miles a year... .

Commercial enforcement officers don't need a PC (probable cause) to stop a vehicle they thinks falls under their jurisdiction... I've driven through a lot of states commercially and have been stopped for routine issues... and in NV I was stopped and asked, when the DOT sign wasn't on a new truck if I had personal stuff or commercial stuff in the truck... personal stuff and he lets you go and commercial stuff he checks you out... In my case with a new truck, we had a DOT number, and the cab card had NV on the card we just didn't have all the info on the side of the truck yet... at the time the truck was a few weeks old and we had an appointment to get the info put on upon return to the shop... He actually made me write it on a sheet of paper and tape it to the passenger window so it could be read from the outside from 25 ft away...

On another trip, mind you the truck is less than 6 months old and the scale house wants to do a safety inspection, and 1 hour later I'm in another state and get flagged for another inspection... I show the inspector the pass sheet from the other state not 1 hour old on a new truck and he says hes been told to increase his inspections as revenue is down from lack of trucks... . so for the second time in 3 hours I'm sitting while he does the inspection.....

Hope this helps... .

 

[JMDancoe]

Like Melvin said, "no news" to those of us who have trucked commercially. Permits and fees are what break a lot of unsuspecting new-bees to trucking. 31 years and 3. 5 million miles of experience. Retired now and enjoying it. Usually if you see a load of cops at a port or temp inspection post it signifies a that a bunch of new cops just out of the academy out for some OJT. They are green and eager and will write almost anything. Not bad cops, just very very eager to prove themselves. Sometimes a senior officer will observe and see a new officer write a ticket that normally won't fly, knowing most people won't fight it and so the state gets some free money.

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[MMeier]

It was a guy I auto cross with this is what he was drivingon Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:14 pm



I was driving a Ryder rental truck with Ryder's DOT on the side. We also have We also have "NOT FOR HIRE" tags on the vehicle.



I don't see in the wording, and the cop indicated this was not a commercial requirement, that it applied to all vehicles over 10k. He also stated that the apportioned paperwork didn't apply, as the fee was a state fee (not federal re-allocation of fuel taxes) and applicable to all non-Nevada registered vehicles.



I can't find anything in the law that states it applies to commercial vehicles only. The Ryder truck is under 26001lbs, and only two axle, so it is not a "commercial truck" per Federal law, and as such no CDL is required to drive it. BUT... . for arguments sake, P/U's are registered as a commercial vehicle in the state of CA, no matter your usage. So the "commercial" argument may not hold water.



We'll see how this plays out. Have daily permits for each day till we leave now.

Pat , just to clarify... you said you pay "apportioning' fees, We pay apportioning fees (aka fuel taxed base upon mileage driven in different states, regardless of the state the fuel was purchased in). That would fall under IFTA ( International Fuel Tax Agreement) rules ... . apportioned plates fall under registration rules, what state is the truck registered in ?