is this for real

[DennyDay]

:-{}Y'all gonna' see more and more of these "fees" all across the country - - most states are doing everything they can come up with to raise $$ to cover pensions they kinda forgot to put $$ away for :-{}

 

[MelvinPierce]

It was a guy I auto cross with this is what he was drivingon Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:14 pm



I was driving a Ryder rental truck with Ryder's DOT on the side. We also have our companies DOT number on the side. We pay apportioning fees (aka fuel taxed base upon mileage driven in different states, regardless of the state the fuel was purchased in). We also have "NOT FOR HIRE" tags on the vehicle.



I don't see in the wording, and the cop indicated this was not a commercial requirement, that it applied to all vehicles over 10k. He also stated that the apportioned paperwork didn't apply, as the fee was a state fee (not federal re-allocation of fuel taxes) and applicable to all non-Nevada registered vehicles.



I can't find anything in the law that states it applies to commercial vehicles only. The Ryder truck is under 26001lbs, and only two axle, so it is not a "commercial truck" per Federal law, and as such no CDL is required to drive it. BUT... . for arguments sake, P/U's are registered as a commercial vehicle in the state of CA, no matter your usage. So the "commercial" argument may not hold water.



We'll see how this plays out. Have daily permits for each day till we leave now.

What the first sentence says in the reg:



NRS 706. 521 Temporary permit for certain motor vehicles; fee.



1. Any person has the option, in lieu of causing a commercial motor vehicle as defined in 49 C. F. R. § 350. 105 which has a gross vehicle weight rating or combined gross vehicle weight rating in excess of 10,000 pounds to be licensed pursuant to the provisions of NRS 482. 482 or 706. 841, of purchasing a temporary permit and paying a fee of $5 plus 15 cents for each mile the Department estimates the vehicle will travel within the State of Nevada during the effective period of the temporary permit.





Note the words " a commercial motor vehicle" then on to "excess of 10,000#".



Seems pretty clear to me it only pertains to commercial vehicles, not to private ones.



MP

 

[jelag]

The trouble with Ryder is they rent both commercial trucks and moving trucks... as I remember if you look at Ryder, U-Haul, Budget etc... . the moving trucks for residential moves aren't designed as commercial trucks (for profit)... .

MP has it right in his last line... . commercial vehicles not private ones...

If you using that truck to make money, than its commercial, if your using that truck to haul your household stuff to another location than the commercial rules don't apply...

If you hauling your race car, to make money than it applies... . if your hauling your race car for the fun of it, than they don't apply..... If you win money they apply if you win a trophy it doesn't. .

 

[JMDancoe]

rx7pat, if I understand you correctly, the vehicle is one you use for company business. You stated that it has both a DOT number on it and "your company" numbers on it. Like it or not, it is a commercial vehicle. It matters not what you are hauling. Personal belongings or a "for pay" load. jelag is correct. The reason is that years ago, a company could carry a load "for pay" but supply the driver with a "bill of sale" for the articles in the truck, showing the company owned it, and that way get around some commercial fees. Laws like the one you got caught under were intended to stop that. If the truck has a DOT number, then anything hauled on it is considered a "for pay" load.
Hint here: Get your Ryder dealer to supply you with a "Non-DOT'd" vehicle for your "non profit" runs. Assuming, of course, the auto-crossing you do is "NOT" a part of your business.
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[MelvinPierce]

rx7pat, if I understand you correctly, the vehicle is one you use for company business. You stated that it has both a DOT number on it and "your company" numbers on it. Like it or not, it is a commercial vehicle. It matters not what you are hauling. Personal belongings or a "for pay" load. jelag is correct. The reason is that years ago, a company could carry a load "for pay" but supply the driver with a "bill of sale" for the articles in the truck, showing the company owned it, and that way get around some commercial fees. Laws like the one you got caught under were intended to stop that. If the truck has a DOT number, then anything hauled on it is considered a "for pay" load.

Hint here: Get your Ryder dealer to supply you with a "Non-DOT'd" vehicle for your "non profit" runs. Assuming, of course, the auto-crossing you do is "NOT" a part of your business.

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We are Dodge/Chrysler people

Good catch, JM. I missed that. You are correct, IF you have the DOT #'s etc. on the truck, it WILL be considered commercial, no matter what, if anything, you are hauling.