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Is your oil better than mine?
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My 3500 is 2 years and 3 days old today and has 15,000 miles. When it's in use, it tows a 13,500 lb 5th wheel. When it's not in use, it's sitting in the garage.
For my application, I've been perfectly satisfied with Delo 400 15W-40 oil and Fleetguard Stratopore filters. Changing the oil and filter at around 3,750 miles means I have 2 oil and filter changes a year. That's acceptable to me for my usage pattern.
Rusty
For my application, I've been perfectly satisfied with Delo 400 15W-40 oil and Fleetguard Stratopore filters. Changing the oil and filter at around 3,750 miles means I have 2 oil and filter changes a year. That's acceptable to me for my usage pattern.
Rusty
condensation
The humidity and temperature fluctuations around here would fill your pan with water if you didn't drive it often enough to cook it out.
But it is a bit drier there in TX.
The humidity and temperature fluctuations around here would fill your pan with water if you didn't drive it often enough to cook it out.
But it is a bit drier there in TX.
Wade,
That's why I take it out long enough to warm it up good every weekend or two. My point is that, regardless of whether the oil is synthetic or dino, my usage profile is such that I wouldn't leave the oil in for more than 3,750 miles or 6 months anyway because of condensation and weak combustion acids. And, no, it's not drier 75 miles from the Gulf of Mexico where I'm located!
By the way, I use Mobil I 10W-30 in the wife's 5. 9L Durango and Royal Purple 5W-20 in my Acura 3. 2TL-S, so I'm not anti-synthetic.
Different horses for different courses.
Rusty
That's why I take it out long enough to warm it up good every weekend or two. My point is that, regardless of whether the oil is synthetic or dino, my usage profile is such that I wouldn't leave the oil in for more than 3,750 miles or 6 months anyway because of condensation and weak combustion acids. And, no, it's not drier 75 miles from the Gulf of Mexico where I'm located!
By the way, I use Mobil I 10W-30 in the wife's 5. 9L Durango and Royal Purple 5W-20 in my Acura 3. 2TL-S, so I'm not anti-synthetic.
Different horses for different courses.
Rusty
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i just ordered a by pass filter made by filtration systems the fs2500 THIS IS THE BEST BY-PASS I HAVE EVER SEEN call them they will send you a dvd where they demonstrate thier product against amsoils and fleetguards. totally unbelievable!!! you guys have seen me post on this board many times I am not paid by anyone but myself. take a look at this filter before commiting to a by pass. tell them CATCRACKER sent ya. reason being they cut the price a little for me. with this system it cleans the oil so well that you can run petro based oil for at least twice the interval. this system cleans almost all of the soot out of the oil so when you dump it it still looks clean. in thier test they have thier filter and amsoil and fleetguard they use carbon black to simulate soot amsoil and fleetguard dont change the apperance of the oil at all the fs2500 brings it back to clear it also remove imulsified water. i am telling you guys al least call up marlin tell him you are a member of the TDR and you want a copy of the DVD. :--)
when mine comes in i will let you know how well it cleans my oil. since i only have 13000K on my motor and have been changing at 3000K i sould not have much build up already so this thing sould keep my oil looking new. we will see!? for a website http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/
when mine comes in i will let you know how well it cleans my oil. since i only have 13000K on my motor and have been changing at 3000K i sould not have much build up already so this thing sould keep my oil looking new. we will see!? for a website http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/
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sub-micron
I believe the soot theory published at the Oilguard site. (link above somewhere). Which goes something like this.
Our engines produce sub-micron sized soot particles and that a 1-micron filter will NOT remove them when they are that small. The zinger is that these particles tend to stick together and by doing so enlarge themselves until they're big enough for the bypass to filter out.
So yes, the oil is cleaner, but there will always be some level of sub-micron soot in it. Which to my knowledge isn't big enough to harm anything.
Now I'll go check out the folks you've recommended. I like all the angles. I still want the Gulf Coast filter, but Oilguard makes a dandy fitting that replaces the oil pan drain plug. No drill/tap.
So my system will be mixed from the gitgo.
I believe the soot theory published at the Oilguard site. (link above somewhere). Which goes something like this.
Our engines produce sub-micron sized soot particles and that a 1-micron filter will NOT remove them when they are that small. The zinger is that these particles tend to stick together and by doing so enlarge themselves until they're big enough for the bypass to filter out.
So yes, the oil is cleaner, but there will always be some level of sub-micron soot in it. Which to my knowledge isn't big enough to harm anything.
Now I'll go check out the folks you've recommended. I like all the angles. I still want the Gulf Coast filter, but Oilguard makes a dandy fitting that replaces the oil pan drain plug. No drill/tap.
So my system will be mixed from the gitgo.wade when you see the dvd they send out you will change your mind. they say thier bypass works so well on powerjokes that if installed when the truck is new you can change your oil at 4000 and it looks like it did when you put it in. i am going to field test this one for the guys on the TDR i will let guys know! they ar pricey. guy told me that the military just bought 47000 units i think.
bypass filters
A micron is a micron. All them bypass micro-filters work about the same. I don't see how one could be THAT much better than the other.
The GulfCoast is pricey too, 400 versus 200 for the Oilguard. Must be the military contract thing. I'm going to call your boys right now for a price.
EDIT--I just talked to Marlin for quite a while we covered trucks and fishing and all that. I mentioned TDR and he said something about "Nutcracker":-laf
Current Filter Solutions FS-2500 special is filter/kit/2 elements/shipping 402. Elements are $22 each. One per year should do it.
I'm still thinking about it.
A micron is a micron. All them bypass micro-filters work about the same. I don't see how one could be THAT much better than the other.
The GulfCoast is pricey too, 400 versus 200 for the Oilguard. Must be the military contract thing. I'm going to call your boys right now for a price.
EDIT--I just talked to Marlin for quite a while we covered trucks and fishing and all that. I mentioned TDR and he said something about "Nutcracker":-laf
Current Filter Solutions FS-2500 special is filter/kit/2 elements/shipping 402. Elements are $22 each. One per year should do it.
I'm still thinking about it.
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Not sure I by the soot issue....
Just any observation reguarding soot. I do not doudt for a second the HP level Joe D. is at he CAN generate excessive soot to the point it would be flagged by an oil lab. I would guess most of the time he drives like me ... pretty smoke free which will not even show soot on the radar screen after 20K miles. Black oil yes, soot measureable... just barely.
Soot is not flagged until 1. 5% by weight. I was running around 300 HP for over 100K miles hotshotting trailers with many hard pulls and ugly cold winter driving when oil temps (without a trailer) would never reach 170 for several weeks at a time. I have never ran bypass, just a new stratapore every 6K, and an oil change every 24K. The highest I ever got to was 0. 4%.
I just got a sample back with 12K on it with all miles running real close to 400hp, several hard pulling trips, and numerous "smoke outs" for fun. The soot topped out at 0. 3%. Was the oil black? Blacker then black!
I have pictures under my user name when I had the headgasket repaired. We also replace the sidecover gasket of which I have a picture or two of. Over 220k miles of 24K mile changes. It sure seem clean to the mechanic and I.
I do not think it is possible to EVER have a soot issue in a stock truck that has its intake and exhaust in normal working order for well past 24K miles. Infact I believe it would be the oil dropping out of weight or wear metals reaching flagging limits well before soot ever becomes an issue in a stock truck.
Now trucks that have HIGH HP and use it. You could push your soot over 1%.
If you never or rarely see smoke out the tail pipe... Soot will not be anything you have to worry about. Like to see smoke or even hide the road behind you, those 5K oil changes might be justified!
jjw
ND
Just any observation reguarding soot. I do not doudt for a second the HP level Joe D. is at he CAN generate excessive soot to the point it would be flagged by an oil lab. I would guess most of the time he drives like me ... pretty smoke free which will not even show soot on the radar screen after 20K miles. Black oil yes, soot measureable... just barely.
Soot is not flagged until 1. 5% by weight. I was running around 300 HP for over 100K miles hotshotting trailers with many hard pulls and ugly cold winter driving when oil temps (without a trailer) would never reach 170 for several weeks at a time. I have never ran bypass, just a new stratapore every 6K, and an oil change every 24K. The highest I ever got to was 0. 4%.
I just got a sample back with 12K on it with all miles running real close to 400hp, several hard pulling trips, and numerous "smoke outs" for fun. The soot topped out at 0. 3%. Was the oil black? Blacker then black!
I have pictures under my user name when I had the headgasket repaired. We also replace the sidecover gasket of which I have a picture or two of. Over 220k miles of 24K mile changes. It sure seem clean to the mechanic and I.
I do not think it is possible to EVER have a soot issue in a stock truck that has its intake and exhaust in normal working order for well past 24K miles. Infact I believe it would be the oil dropping out of weight or wear metals reaching flagging limits well before soot ever becomes an issue in a stock truck.
Now trucks that have HIGH HP and use it. You could push your soot over 1%.
If you never or rarely see smoke out the tail pipe... Soot will not be anything you have to worry about. Like to see smoke or even hide the road behind you, those 5K oil changes might be justified!
jjw
ND
get the fs2500 dvd you will not believe it. amsoil and fleetgaurd suck plain and simple compared to this filter. just get the dvd. "nutcracker" i done that before
Yeah, he's sending the info package. I also found a better price on the GC. PM me if anyone is interested, don't want you to be publicly flogged by the "just change it" crowd. 
Marlin and I talked about catfishing for 20 minutes!
They have the biggest flatheads out there and we have the biggest blues here--but I'm a flathead guy.
Marlin and I talked about catfishing for 20 minutes!
They have the biggest flatheads out there and we have the biggest blues here--but I'm a flathead guy.Ok guys i hope i have some respect on this board for all the time i sit hear and post i am telling you that this dvd they send out made me a believer. I dont go out and spend $400 on my truck just everyday but this video sold me and my dad, he wants one for his gasser.
dont look into it i dont care i am just reporting what i have found
obviously a micron is not a micron or thier test method is a gimmick
dont look into it i dont care i am just reporting what i have found
obviously a micron is not a micron or thier test method is a gimmick
Does your wife know you are spending another $400 on your truck? :-laf How did you sell her on this bomb
It wasn't that long ago that you were trying to sell her on buying a late model used truck, now you have the new 03 loaded, bombed and now your selling her on better filtration. If your not in sales you need to be. You are the man!!!I'm going over to eyeball Lawrence's GCF setup again, now that he has a couple thou on it.
CC, I'm looking into it, and Marlin is a fun guy to talk to. I don't doubt for a second that their filter does a spectacular job. I do doubt that I or anyone else can tell a difference in oil filtered by theirs or competing systems without laboratory help.
And if I wind up with a GCF and you the FS-2500, I'll be happy to compare analysis reports.
One of the "jabs" at the GCF, which I find downright humorous, is to the effect that paper towels are designed to wipe up stuff, not filter oil--and because you should never use anything for other than its origingal designed purpose, you shouldn't use paper towels to filter oil.
Can you think of anything you've ever used for more than one purpose? Some things work better at their "second" purpose than the first. Aren't PT's (of all things) in-fact supposed to be multi-purpose.
If the DVD shows me why I should spend 100 more on the 2500, then I'll do it. Otherwise that $100 is going toward a new turbo.
CC, I'm looking into it, and Marlin is a fun guy to talk to. I don't doubt for a second that their filter does a spectacular job. I do doubt that I or anyone else can tell a difference in oil filtered by theirs or competing systems without laboratory help.
And if I wind up with a GCF and you the FS-2500, I'll be happy to compare analysis reports.
One of the "jabs" at the GCF, which I find downright humorous, is to the effect that paper towels are designed to wipe up stuff, not filter oil--and because you should never use anything for other than its origingal designed purpose, you shouldn't use paper towels to filter oil.
Can you think of anything you've ever used for more than one purpose? Some things work better at their "second" purpose than the first. Aren't PT's (of all things) in-fact supposed to be multi-purpose.
If the DVD shows me why I should spend 100 more on the 2500, then I'll do it. Otherwise that $100 is going toward a new turbo.
Pit,
I am sweating bullets at my house over this oil filter coming in. I may even have to send it back... i am not kidding. As a matter of fact i am sending it back. I can afford it without a problem but wifey wishes there where no such thing as Cummins and if i bomb anymore she may have you know what on a platter. but i will get this bomb in the future. i have to call marlin right now
I am sweating bullets at my house over this oil filter coming in. I may even have to send it back... i am not kidding. As a matter of fact i am sending it back. I can afford it without a problem but wifey wishes there where no such thing as Cummins and if i bomb anymore she may have you know what on a platter. but i will get this bomb in the future. i have to call marlin right now
Originally posted by CATCRACKER
Pit,
I am sweating bullets at my house over this oil filter coming in. I may even have to send it back... i am not kidding. As a matter of fact i am sending it back. I can afford it without a problem but wifey wishes there where no such thing as Cummins and if i bomb anymore she may have you know what on a platter. but i will get this bomb in the future. i have to call marlin right now
:-laf I know what you mean, my wife keeps me on a tighter leash then it sounds like your wife keeps you on. I don't blame her if she didn't
I would be spending some $$$ 
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