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This post was prompted by what The Patriot said in his recent post. After 9-11 I wrote on another site about Islam, so maybe now is a good time to write again what I know and have learned.



First of all terminology is in order.



Islam is the Arabic term for "submission", Muslim means "one who submits". Allah is a little stone idol moon god that originally came from the Babylonian moon god "Bel", definitely not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Muhammad the so called prophet of Allah, whom Muslims believe displaced Jesus, wrote the original Qur'an which means "the recitation", this is supposedly revelations given by Allah throught his archangel to Muhammad. Muslims believe that the Qur'an supersedes the Bible used by Christians. Sura's refer to the divisions within the Qur'an, kind of like chapters in the Bible. A "Caliph" is a main leader of Islam and a successor of Muhammad. "Ayatollah" refers to a spiritual master in Shi'ite Islam. "Ulamas" are the guards of the orthodoxy and they have extensive power in matters of religion, and they legislate the Law. They are the defenders of the Islamic law, and they fight against what they call the eroding effects of the Western world, and the people of the Book. (Jews and Christians and Cummin diesel owners, ha).



Without going into great detail, I thought I would bring up some interesting facts about the LIES and misinformation that the main line media has been spreading lately about Islam. There are over 7 million Muslims in the U. S. enjoying the freedoms and life style that we have,--- and are allowed to support and harbor terrorists here and abroad in nations that are very hostile to America. Some may be good people(?), but what they believe isn't good. Here in America there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State. However, the Muslims belief system incorporates all aspects of life, their Islamic religion regulates everthing in their lives, to the point that culture, religion and politics are practically inseparable. Islamic law does not recognize freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, or freedom of the press. Women are nothing but chattel. The Qur'an states in Sura 4:34 "Men are the managers of the affairs of women. ---Those you fear may be rebellious (true or not)-- admonish; banish them to their couches and BEAT them. " Men have actually killed there wives and under Muslim law have not been punished. Muslim women can be kept prisoners in their own home. In Islamic countries such are Iran, women must carry written permission from their husband to be out of the house. Women are even denied the right to drive a car in such places as Saudi Arabia.



Islam is a legacy of hate, violence and DECEPTION. Their book the Qur'an is an amalgam of mostly distorted Judaism and Christianity and has small segments of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Greek mystery religions. The order is confused, with self-contradictions.



VIOLENCE IS COMMANDED: Sura 9:5 "Fight and SLAY the pagans (non Muslims) wherever ye find them, and seize them (kidnap), beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of WAR. " Sura 9:73 "---Make WAR on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. " Sura 8:59 "Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God (Allah), and your enemy. (Jews, Christians, and the West)"



If anyone resists Isalm---Sura 5:33 "Their punishment is ---EXECUTION, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land. " Muslims are not our friends, in fact in Sura 5:51 it forbids them to have Christians and Jews as friends. " So much for Islam is for peace--ya right, only if you convert to this evil belief system or you are killed. Then there will be peace ( no-one left to fight).



Their religion tells them we (Jews, Christians and the West in general) are the great Satan (adversary) and must be eliminated from the face of the planet. Almost all recent wars were because of this belief system. In most countries where Isalm is in the MAJORITY there is war with those who are not. They kill young women all the time. They cut hands and feet off of people as a form of torture, but it is over looked, because they have OIL. In Nigeria, the Philippines, Indonisia, The Bulkans, Pakistan, Afganistan, India, Turkey, Armenia and a few dozen other countries right at this very moment----- Muslims are killing Christians and unbelievers by the hundreds DAILY. In the Sudan since 1991, more than 2,000,000 Christians have been murdered for not being Muslims. All of this goes on and few notice.



90% of all the wars (and by a CNN report there are over 30 raging on earth right now) are Muslims killing somebody. Israel has been under attack for years by Muslims that are bent on their total destruction and genocide.



Islam is anti Jew and anti Christian and anti West. There are many ignorant people in the United States that think "good god, good everyone,---- they say that only 10% of Islam are actually radical. Well, if we assume they are right,-- there are over 1 Billion Muslims in the world today, and that would equal over 100,000,000 radicals. I don't think that's a small number in anyones book. There are over 7 million in this country 10% of that number is over 700,000.

That many people who don't care about our lives or even their own, armed with VX gas or other deadly weapons could destroy masses here in America.



It is my belief that we Americans who love our freedoms and our country should draw the line at who is allowed to live in this great country( ya right, like this could happen),---- and it's not war loving, west hating Muslims. I wish there was a way to give them all a one way ticket back to the Arabian countries that they came from.



There is a lot more that I could post, but for now this is enough. It seems that if we attack Iraq,--- Muslim brothers from all over the world will enter into "Jihad" against the great Satan (US) and I fear many are going to die here in America and in the middle east.

I hope not.





Regards,

Lowell
 
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Thanks for the reply

Big Best,



Thanks for the reply! I thought maybe the post was too long or that many already knew the facts about our enemy. It's amazing that our media will not venture to show how Muslim parents and schools teach their young children to hate Jews and the West; and that in the name of Allah they are taught to gladly give their lives up to destroy us. Kind of gives "child abuse" a whole new meaning, huh? Have you ever seen or heard of an older Muslim man or woman blowing themselves up in the name of Allah? No, just the young and impressionable.



Our Media protrays Muslims here in America as our peace loving friends. They aren't. They would be shooting and slitting our throats--- IF they were in the majority like they are in other parts of the world. Anyway glad to see someone else agrees with this point of view.



Regards,

Lowell
 
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OUTSTANDING!

I'm one of those who are ready, I believe time is nearing the break-point. What may come in our life time will be huge in the eyes of history and when we consider all the problems we Americans face today it's to broken to fix. The coming events will fix it..... it's just sad that millions and millions are going to die.



I've been preparing for years... I might die too but, the word "might" explains alot. When I'm out and about in Cities and large metro areas I see the majority of the population as unprepared in their lives,words and deeds. I'm not a predator at least I don't consider myself that way but when I look at most people and place the complexity of "social upheaval" into the equation I've come to realize most won't have a chance to survive.



I've asked this before in other posts... . are we ready as a nation, as a family or as an individual for whats coming... it's not gonna be pretty. The socialists and the media continue each day to divide the American populace into "class wars" with referring to afro-americans or mexican-americans or asian-americans. I work with all kinds of people and the key thing is "THEY WERE BORN HERE"!!!! Aren't they "just" Americans like me?



Remove all precious metals (coin) remove the 2nd amendment and tell all Americans "they" are different from their neighbors and you have a nice big pot of crap to break the bonds of the common citizen with his fellow citizens.



We must as Americans get back together.



There is a storm coming... are we ready?



Sorry guys... . I had to rant a bit:(



William
 
WOW!!!!! All I can say is AMEN. I don't think that most people realize how harmful the culture of polical correctness is. In order for political correctness to work you have to assume that all people are mostly good , and that given the chance those people will become completely "good" and live in peace and harmony with all mankind. This is total ********. I heard a quote from Dennis Miller one time that I believe to very profound. It goes" People have to come to the realization that there are some incredibly evil ****** in this world and sometimes you just have to thin the herd. " Now he said this in reference to the death penalty debate but , I believe that it still holds true to the world in general. Most muslims don't want peace, they want anarchy and chaos with themselves as the ultimate victor in the end of the conflict. If you don't believe this, then just think back to 9-11-01 and remember the video of the women and children in palestine dancing and chanting in the street when they got the news that the towers had been hit. If there is any doubt that these people hate us, then that should resolve it. Remember , we have been trying to muzzle Isreal and get the palestinian people thier own country, well , I for one say let Isreal loose the hounds on these blood thirsty savages. They will keep on blowing up buses and killing civilians for as long as it takes to win. The moral of my rant is; ignoring evil won't make it any better and it sure won't make it go away. In fact, It's quite the contrary. I think it makes them more bold and determined. I think that it's time that america drop the hammer on some of these yahoo's . While we're at it, it couldn't hurt to put some of these other ungrateful punks( France,Turkey, S. Korea, & any other jackass country that wants our money but loves to take cheap shots at us) in thier place also. Is there any question who's really BOSS when it comes to world-wide superpowers.



Hammerhead, I've edited out the profanity in this post that violates website guidelines.



TDR Admin - 03/14/03
 
Take it farther?

Why not get rid of anyone else that believes diferently than us? We could get rid of anyone that is a different color? Or maybe even get rid of all those people that are ferigners? Yes sir, "the land of the free and the brave?" Those Mormons are acting a little uppity lately, same with those Catholics, and how about the Buddists? Maybe we could get rid of anyone who believes in a religion? I am all for that... ... .....



:D
 
Another big difference between Christianity and islam is that our GOD, The GOD of Abraham, Issac and Jacob- the true GOD, gave HIS son for us, HE does not ask for our sons to die for HIM.
 
I was just wondering ~~~~~~~~~ when was the last time any Mormons , Buddists or Catholics flew some airplanes into some buildings ?????????????????????
 
Originally posted by 93 1TON

Another big difference between Christianity and islam is that our GOD, The GOD of Abraham, Issac and Jacob- the true GOD, gave HIS son for us, HE does not ask for our sons to die for HIM.



Extremley well said...
 
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When you say "The true God" it only narrows ones mind. I am sure there are believers in Islam that think theres is the "True God" . If this type of narrow thinking is allowed to spread we will be at war a long, long, long time. My God is bigger than your God is childish and very narrow in stature. My God told me so... ..... :D
 
CF,



You are setting up a straw-man argument here, by extrapolating the original thread to all religions, suggesting the logic could be extended to those different from us in skin color, etc. The other posters made no references that would indicate they would want to include those other groups.



A serious difference exists between the religious beliefs that have been discussed in this thread. 93 1ton's belief that the Christian God is the one true God is taught and reinforced by Christian religious leaders, but they DO NOT advocate killing people who believe otherwise. Many mainstream Muslim leaders, on the other hand, teach their youth that it is acceptable to kill those who don't believe their way. Recall a previous thread where I posted abundant links and evidence of same.



You are quick to post in opposition to those who voice Christian views, but you know good and well that the American Christian denominations pose no physical threat to you or your family... AT ALL. Yet the Muslim denominations do pose such a threat, and you don't have much to say about that at all.



Why the bias? Are you unwilling to acknowledge that the actual terrorist threat we are facing is the young, fanatic Muslim male and not the old, bingo playing Catholic female?
 
"but you know good and well that the American Christian denominations pose no physical threat to you or your family. . "



Does this include the TV/radio/billboard ministers, past, present, future, that want your money, and have been known to take all/most peoples money, especially seniors, lonely or otherwise disadvantaged, etc. , leaving them destitute, and then use the money for anything but religion, maybe even THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE?



Does this include the men of certain Christian religious faiths who abuse children, hide it, continue to deny wrongdoing, including with help/knowledge from their superiors, and if FINALLY caught, cornered, think money will resolve. Are they surprised when they find their insurance company will not cover because it is criminal charge. Where did they get the money?



Was there no damage done, or no physical threat to you or your family, if you were one of these victims?
 
J. Pope,



I think you went off on a rabbit trail a little bit. I don't think anyone who has replied to this would defend perverts, molesters, and those who take advantage of the old; using religion to bilk money from folks.



Just like in government, there are those who trying to do good and there are those who are taking advantage of the system. I don't think it's any different with the main line denominations.



Jesus did warn of those that would be wolves in sheeps clothing. It was true back then and it is true today. I believe they will answer for their deeds. I for one if a person raped my child, would be hard pressed not to do something about it.



Again, the original post was about the Muslim belief system, their hate and their belief that they must rid the world of non-believers, through torture, terrorism, and murder for Allah. As was stated The Bible doesn't tell us to kill those who don't believe as we do, Christians true to the faith will not harm but will help.



There are those who claim to be Christian, WHO ARE NOT, but use the name to do what they want. Nero, blamed Christians for burning Rome when he was actually to blame. This type of thing has been true down through history.



Regards,

Lowell :)
 
Re: Take it farther?

Originally posted by Champane Flight

Why not get rid of anyone else that believes diferently than us? We could get rid of anyone that is a different color? Or maybe even get rid of all those people that are ferigners? Yes sir, "the land of the free and the brave?" Those Mormons are acting a little uppity lately, same with those Catholics, and how about the Buddists? Maybe we could get rid of anyone who believes in a religion? I am all for that... ... .....



:D



Wow, CF! I must have read something else, 'cause I sure didn't see all of what you said in this thread.



While I agree it may be true not all Muslims here in America have the same hatred for non-Muslim people, the fact remains... ... ... scholars who have studied the Koran can testify to what the Islamic faith really teaches. I think that's the point to this thread.
 
Questions

CF,



Are you an atheist? Muslim? Liberal? Have you researched out Islam and the other religions of the world?



From reading your responses it seems like, you like to play the Devils advocate.



I think we live in the greatest country in the world and will defend the rights given by American law. All of us came from somewhere else originally. This country welcomes just about everyone. But when we allow the enemy in behind the gates (Trojan Horse type thing), I believe we've gone to far. Our views differ in that I draw the line on certain things, but you don't seem to.



Our country gives Billions of dollars to Muslim countrys every year. We give more aid, health products and food than any other country in the world. Yet, they take and take, but devise ways to destroy us. I believe if your not for us your against us. If it were up to me,(and I'll bet your glad it's not) I would stop all aid to those types of people and would give one way tickets to those in our country who are bent on our destruction. I would take that money and fix the problems of health, hunger, education and poverty here. Oh well, nice dream (for me at least).



I give money and of myself to others here and overseas. We have helped widows, orphans, Mexicans, Indians, Georgians (former state of USSR), Chinese, South Africians and others down and out. But, I do draw the line at those who would "bite the hand that would feed them". Muslims don't care about you, me, this country, our values, or our families.



I don't expect to change you. ----- One nice thing that we have in America is that we can speak our minds, another thing not allowed in Islamic countries.



Lowell
 
Grouping

I know a Muslim and he does not preach hate toward ones neighbor. He was as appalled as anyone else when he saw the attacks on 9/11. To group a religion as evil, groups all who practice this religion. If I saw a Baptist commit a murder, could I say that all Baptists are murderers? What you did was take a bunch of the Koran out of context, or the evil or prejudice things said in it. I can guarantee that I could take the Bible and find just as many verses in it, to make someone believe that the book is evil and Christianity in a whole is evil. There are and have been many fanatics in the Christian faith that would make an outsider think all were evil.



There are good and bad in every race, creed, and color. If we say one is worse than another just makes us one of the bad ones. We have enough fear and hate in America right now. The hate found in Islamic country's for America is based on ignorance of our culture. Are we to be just as ignorant? And some of hate directed toward us has nothing to do with radical Muslim faith. We are not a humble people and tend to try to force our ways on others. We also have a foreign policy that is schizophrenic to say the least. We mean well, but are seen as jerks by some of the world. This will happen when you are a/the world power.



There are many Islamic countries that have a free and democratic society. They also have a few bad apples. In Qatar they have free health care, free education, and freedom of speech. Of course they are very, very rich..... :D

Hate to burst anyones bubble, but I tend to call a pile of excrement a pile of excrement..... :D
 
JPope,



Reckon you have a point. Tell ya what, if you can find me a couple of instances of a group of Catholic priests crashing a plane into a building full of kids to molest them, or a TV evangelists boarding a bus full of commuters and robbing them at gunpoint, I will agree with you.



lpearson,



Great post!



CF,



What's all this about grouping? In my message I point the finger at the radical leaders who preach that sort of hatred in the Muslim community. It is a DEMONSTRATED FACT that this activity occurs. Unfortunately any Americans are so conditioned to the idea of avoiding hurt feelings that they are unable to even ACKNOWLEDGE the source of the terrorist problem - specifically the Muslim leaders who teach the youths that killing infidels will get them to heaven.



It might be unpopular. It might be uncomfortable. It might even be politically incorrect. But it's clearly the truth - we are embroiled in a religious war with the radical Muslims, who are the wellspring of the terrorists we seek to destroy. Seems rather pointless to avoid consideration of this basic fact. Goodness, if we can't face it, how can we fight it - much less defeat it? :confused:
 
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