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I am new to the forum, and have read some of the earlier posts re: Dr. Performance, along with the negative experiences reported. I can sympathize with those involved, I would have been pretty hot myself. #ad


Over the past two years I had a 93, 97, and 2000 done by DP. I couldn't be happier with the result. The 93 went from 96 HP on the dyno to 198 HP. It took them two days to get it that way, but they stayed on it until it was right. (Turns out the stock turbo was sick too) Pulls great, no smoke, low egt.

The 97 was a Phase III, and turned 325 HP on the dyno - a real screamer. Again, no smoke, no problems, a blast to drive.

The 2000 was a Phase II, which has since gone over the edge to somewhere near a Phase IV with further upgrades, and will go on the dyno this week to see what it is turning. #ad


Well, as they often do, things have changed. Dealerships have opened, with more to come. So far, Denver, Phoenix, Seattle, Oregon, Helena Montana, Minneapolis, and Florida are open, in addition to Kellogg, ID. I was so impressed with the products, I decided to open a dealership myself. Also, many DC dealerships in these cities are on board and promoting Dr. Performance. The main reason: warranty. The other reasons: improved fuel economy, no boxes or mods to wiring, transparent installation, no need to get extra cooling via turbo, exhaust pipe mods, etc.

On the new trucks, DP gives a 4 yr/100,000 mile warranty that runs concurrent with the factory warranty. On the older trucks, it is 2 yr/100,000 miles. So no matter where you end up when trouble strikes, you are covered - first by DP, then by the factory. In addition, the dealers offer a 30 day money back satisfaction guarantee. Further, they state that the DP upgrade will outperform the competition on less fuel, or they will buy the competition package for you.

Also, most dealers have a dyno, so you know exactly what you have when they are done. No guesswork, or worry about melted pistons.
Each dealer is covered by a $10 million product liability policy.

I think the thing here is to separate the personality from the product, if you can. (And I accept that some won't be able too - understood) Read the Winter Issue TDR article which proved that the DP upgrade on the Second Timer produced essentially the same horsepower as the competition, while using 30% LESS FUEL, and no trouble with EGTs.

Dr. Sadler (who for the record has two medical degrees, Doctor of Medicine and Doctor of Chiropractic) told me the other day that if he had an employee like himself, he would fire him. He is not a great businessman, but his products are the best available anywhere. This is especially true for the 12 valvers. His combination of injector design, pressures, timing, and other factors(which obviously remain his secret), result in improved efficiency, which equates to good mileage, extra power, great throttle response, and EGTs you can live with. And - a warranty.

There is more to come from the Dr. in the future. His current vehicle (24 valve Cummins equipped) has turned 136 mph in the quarter mile, and he is predicting will do 150 mph this summer. Does he know something about diesels that we don't know? #ad


Now, at last, a dealer network to support these fantastic upgrades. #ad
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Sorry this got to sounding like a crass commercial message, but I thought people would want to know what is happening. #ad




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DanB
 
None of those sites seem to work? or is it just me?

oh duh guess I should examine the addresses before I post LOL sorry.

[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 05-09-2000). ]
 
So, exactly what kindf of changes are made to the engine to achieve the HP/Torque gains? The information on the website(s) given in the previous posts completely dance around the issue of exactly what the modifications are. What exactly do you get for your money, other than the stated gains?

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1998. 5 2500 QC 4x4, 24v, auto, 3. 54, leather, 295/75R16 BFG AT, Abbott ERA, 275HP injectors, VA CPC, 4-wire Blue Box, boost elbow, 3" straight pipe-bomb, ISSPRO dual A-pillar Pyro(pre-turbo) and boost gauges, BD valve body
1998 Corvette Coupe, 6-spd, Pewter
 
I am wondering the same thing Carl is.

Website kinda tells you everything you wanna hear but NUTHIN of what you need to hear.

Thats a heck of alot of money for those gains.
 
come on guys , he said its a secert ... before i plunk down that kind of cash #ad
i want to know what is being done , plus i am skeptical about the warranty claim , plus i see its not the same as the cummins warranty
 
Kat - Carl

On the 24 valvers it is the patented twister injectors and a reprogram of the ECM.

On the 12 valvers, it is a reworked pump and the twister injectors.

The way I evaluated it for myself was what performance will I have when finished, and at what risk? Balance this with the cost, and see if the formula works for you.

I suppose they could put on all kinds of gadgets to make people think they were getting a lot of stuff for their money - some kits do just that, stuff that adds zero in terms of performance, but makes it look like you are getting a lot for your money. I guess you have to figure that knowledge gained through a lot of a person's time is worth something too.

I realize this approach doesn't work for everyone. For me, I wasn't comfortable trying to time a P-Pump for example, but I wanted the power. #ad
 
I have seen a few brand new trucks on Dealer's lots with Dr Performance kits in them here around Denver.

The prices on Dr. P's web site are a bit steep. But if you want an outstanding warranty, I guess you have to pay for it.

"I am my own warranty station" #ad


Anybody know if Dr. P's "twister" injectors the extrude honed kind like Diesel Dynamics?

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98. 5 2500 QC LB 4x4 5spd, white. BFG 285x75x16
Cummins 24v w/ TST PowerMAX w/EGT and Boost gauges on A-Pillar.
VanAaken CPC. K&N In the factory air box. Stock Injectors, Stock Exhaust (complete with rattling baffles in muffler).
SnugTop, JJ Stainless Running boards, Tow Hooks, Bushwacker Street Flares, and a Cup Smoothie.
57,000 miles (3/20/00)
 
dbrimhall,

Dr. Poof is rude, arrogant, and generally a d--- to diesel owners he comes into contact with. That said, if what he's pushing works, and if he stood by what he's pushing, FINE. However, my experience with him is that he's EVASIVE when diesel owners ask questions. If he's a medical doctor, why is he working on diesels? What's his background in diesels? Why won't he answer any questions? Why couldn't I find ONE SINGLE "franchise" he told me about in my State???

You expect any of us to believe that DC would warranty these trucks after Dr. Poof has done whatever he does to them???? HAHAHAHAHA That's a good one... HAVE HIM SHOW IT TO US IN WRITING WITH DC SIGNING IT AS WELL. There may be dealerships, auto parts stores, whatever, out there that sell his stuff just like BANKS, BUT I FAILED TO FIND ANY OF THE ONES HE PERSONALLY TOLD ME ABOUT. No way will I believe for 2 seconds that if my ram dies in say, Burns, OR or some other remote place, that the local Dodge dealer will honor the factory warranty if he sees Dr. Poofs mods. And where do I go from there, out in the middle of BFE to get the truck fixed? Why can't the good Doc just come out and say "you are your own warranty station, unless you are near my shop"???

Sorry, I ain't buyin' his story or his stuff unless he and that cheesy dealership he works with apologize to me, and back up what they say with facts not diesel smoke.

Dave
 
Doc has burned a lot of bridges, I got my fill of him in Kellogg last year. I understand he is selling dealerships or franchises which would eliminate him from dealing with the public.

Shawn the "Twister" injectors are extrude honed just like Diesel Dynamics. The difference is that Lawrence personally does all of DD's injectors (quality control) since he has his own machine while I am told that Doc has somebody do his injectors for him.

So Barry is doing 136 mph in the quarter???
Can you verify that? What would that be in terms of time, 10 seconds? The folks I know who have been at the track when he has been racing tell me that he is in the 107 mph range at 12. 55 or so.

I won't be spending any money with Doc or his company. Good luck on your campaign to whitewash his reputation.
 
"reprogram of the ECM" ... hmmmmm

Didn't that get somebody else into trouble? I wonder if posting that tidbit will earn Dr. P a phone call from Cummins?

We have not heard much from CMech in a long time, so I suspect Cummins is still watching...

(yep, I just love conspiracy theories. . )

[This message has been edited by David_VT (edited 05-09-2000). ]
 
At the Belen TDR meet, Banks had a 2 page flyer disputing some of Dr. P claims via their in-house testing of his stuff. I also suggest that you reinvestigate the meaning of "proof" vs. the very limited testing done by Scott Dalgleish in that TDR article. Check the next issue for further discussion of experimental design vs. results actually obtained.

I might also mention that a shop tested a Ram with Dr. P injectors and got 17% opacity, with 10 hp over the 275 hp Bosch injectors which gave 6% opacity. That's a lot of smoke for 10 hp, isn't it?
 
This forum is no place to advertise.

Advertising belongs in the advertising section. That, in my opinion goes for any business.

One of the reasons I like this site is the frank, technical discussions and debates, NOT the commercial advertising.

I hate to sound like a nay-sayer, but you may be doing more harm than good posting advertisements for your business.

Good luck on your venture however - I wish you the best.

Shawn

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'99 2500 ISB QC 4x4 5spd SB, Camper Special, Tow package, Intense Blue, Armourthane color matched box liner, Reese 14K slider, Tekonsha Voyager, AND I LOVE THIS TRUCK!!!
Canadian Advanced Amateur VE6PV
**Waiting for the BOMBing apparatus to get back to Calgary!!***
 
the last time I posted on this "fine" person the TDR police put a lock on the thread. . police police I'm back. . #ad
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Hey, if dbrimhall wants to go into business with Dr P, no one should get upset. If he wants to blow smoke about the wonders the doc can do, I'd like to hear 'em.
I've heard about tons of stuff guys are pushing. I just hope I can figure out for myself what I want.
I say:
Dealers, give us your hustle... ... ...
Skeptics, flame hell out that hustle... .....
Ron
 
HVAC - you were in Kellogg? Guys, that's where I bought my truck last year.
I was told of Dr. P and was so excited to have a new truck, I thought nothing of it. Half a year later cruising the net I found Diesel Dynamics and they turned me on to all you fine people. No BS, you are the best.
Bottom line... . I have read till I'm blue in the face and I'm gonna keep on reading. I've learned a ton from all of you. I've called Dr. P's place several times and get the same thing everytime... ... . 1)no straight answers, 2)high price talk, 3)bad-mouthing everyone else in the industry, and 4)arrogance.
I'm staying with TDR and with a little luck I'll find my answers amongst a bunch of honest guys spreading their stories.

Papa Joe #ad


PS That arrogant crap doesn't go far with this old man.
 
Burned bridges is not the word for Doc P. When I gave up my old 12 valve for a 24 and called him the first thing he said is that I bought a piece of sh!$. He also used alot of other choose words. I guessed he just assumed that swearing did not bother me. He did assume right.

He also claims that he makes power without smoke. Really? In the issue of TDR when he is making his Pike's Peak run the one picture shows smoke pouring out of both stacks.

Mark at TST and I think his name is Lawerance at DD are very professional to talk to and are willing to take time from there busy schedules to answer questions. To add to this they never bad mouthed anyone elses product.

Kinder, gentler Dr. Performance? To late for that.
 
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