Like "rolling coal" ??

[JR]

^^^^ That is why Cummins has gone full tilt on electric and hybrid systems over the last 10 years. I think they saw the writing on the wall in the early stages of this push to electrification.


https://www.cummins.com/news/releas...ition-electric-and-hybrid-powertrain-provider

 

[jgillott]

I have some experience with electric powered forklifts and small golf cart “GEM” type vehicles, and honestly they are great for getting around the larger facilities and doing lighter work, but once they die, they’re useless. I much prefer hybrid tech if I HAD to choose an alternative. The Nissan Leaf was a total flop, the Prius and Escape/ RAV4 hybrids are a success. We’ve tried electric 12’ box trucks, the small Ford Transit with no so great success. Trying a Hybrid street sweeper now.
My job has an entire alternative fuels office where the head guy there has to bang his head against the wall looking for groundbreaking ways to get off fossil. Most recently, I heard about this project-
http://www.columbia.edu/~ja3041/Electric Bus Analysis for NYC Transit by J Aber Columbia University - May 2016.pdf
And there will be an all electric garbage truck to follow this.

It's interesting that you mentioned the buses. I know a guy that is a tech for a large school bus fleet here. A couple of years back, they moved him from a local site with an all diesel fleet to one that was converting to CNG. Within about 6 months, he was back at the local garage. Simply not enough work at the other facility to keep him there. Work is still booming in the local shop with the diesel fleet I'm assuming with the emissions related problems. He told me that the CNG units are just stone reliable. Are you seeing the same in your office?

 

[Dl5treez]

Do they have any sound to them when you drive or do they sound/feel like an electric golf cart?

Road noise and wind noise. And a little whirring.

Unless you count the F1 car noises the driver makes pretending the car is shifting.

 

[Dl5treez]

It's interesting that you mentioned the buses. I know a guy that is a tech for a large school bus fleet here. A couple of years back, they moved him from a local site with an all diesel fleet to one that was converting to CNG. Within about 6 months, he was back at the local garage. Simply not enough work at the other facility to keep him there. Work is still booming in the local shop with the diesel fleet I'm assuming with the emissions related problems. He told me that the CNG units are just stone reliable. Are you seeing the same in your office?

Our hybrid trucks at work get worse economy around town than the all diesel versions because of the hills and the needs of getting the truck up over 20mph in less than 1/4 mile with incorrect fuel trim programming.

Congratulations International and Eaton/Fuller you managed to build a big turd. The green leaf paint job makes the snowflakes smile though so it s all good.

 

[PBJ2500CTD]

Road noise and wind noise. And a little whirring.

Unless you count the F1 car noises the driver makes pretending the car is shifting.

My cousin purchased one which I had the privilege to drive. Handling adequate. Pretty neat with the technology. Loved the smooth broad range of torque. My biggest complaints were road noise, seat comfort and harsh ride for a $upposed luxury vehicle.

 

[Dl5treez]

My cousin purchased one which I had the privilege to drive. Handling adequate. Pretty neat with the technology. Loved the smooth broad range of torque. My biggest complaints were road noise, seat comfort and harsh ride for a $upposed luxury vehicle.

Yessir the handling is kinda harsh like a BMW but manners of a plush Mercedes without the plush. If that makes sense.

They used to make a “performance” handling pack with wider tires and some anti roll bars but it made the ride even worse with only a little bit better handling. So they shelved it.

I don’t really think they are worth the money they charge, but marketing plus demand plus small scale production plus insane R&D costs equals expensive car.

Used they’re not as bad. But there’s that whole Tesla cocoon of control still there though.

 

[Wayne M.]

It's interesting that you mentioned the buses. I know a guy that is a tech for a large school bus fleet here. A couple of years back, they moved him from a local site with an all diesel fleet to one that was converting to CNG. Within about 6 months, he was back at the local garage. Simply not enough work at the other facility to keep him there. Work is still booming in the local shop with the diesel fleet I'm assuming with the emissions related problems. He told me that the CNG units are just stone reliable. Are you seeing the same in your office?

Your friend must be involved with a fleet of Internationals. They did as much damage to the diesel business recently as GM did in the 70’s.

Here is an older report on the department’s alternative fuel effort.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downlo...l_law_38_DSNY_2012_final_report_3_25_2013.pdf
I have been involved with all of the hybrid collection trucks at one time or another.
CNG has come a LOOONG way! It’s huge in the West and Southwest, especially in Refuse. The problem is the FDNY. They won’t allow the infrastructure to run a CNG fleet citywide.
The same problem happened for a experimental fuel- Dimethyl Ether (DME).
Read this.
https://www.trucknews.com/equipment...w-york-city-department-sanitation/1003076705/
This fuel is very groundbreaking and leading edge. It’s used in Europe, but there’s hardly any infrastructure here. The dept. goes ahead with this pilot, only to again get slammed by the FDNY. They didn’t even want the truck in city limits, but they made a deal to keep it by me, and fuel it in Jersey. Amazing huh?

Regarding quiet EV’s and hybrids for that matter, NYC Parks had to put beepers on everything because you’d be strolling in a park, and there would be a prius sniffing your butt. You’d never hear it in electric mode!

 

[Wayne M.]

It’s interesting to note that the Tesla is not bound by the USEPA, so therefore it has no OBDII or SAE diagnostic connector. Hence the Tesla cocoon.
If anyone is on Twitter, there are a few journalists on there who have been giving Tesla quite the flogging. Lots to read if you’d want to look for it.

 

[jgillott]

Your friend must be involved with a fleet of Internationals. They did as much damage to the diesel business recently as GM did in the 70’s.

Here is an older report on the department’s alternative fuel effort.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downlo...l_law_38_DSNY_2012_final_report_3_25_2013.pdf
I have been involved with all of the hybrid collection trucks at one time or another.
CNG has come a LOOONG way! It’s huge in the West and Southwest, especially in Refuse. The problem is the FDNY. They won’t allow the infrastructure to run a CNG fleet citywide.
The same problem happened for a experimental fuel- Dimethyl Ether (DME).
Read this.
https://www.trucknews.com/equipment...w-york-city-department-sanitation/1003076705/
This fuel is very groundbreaking and leading edge. It’s used in Europe, but there’s hardly any infrastructure here. The dept. goes ahead with this pilot, only to again get slammed by the FDNY. They didn’t even want the truck in city limits, but they made a deal to keep it by me, and fuel it in Jersey. Amazing huh?

Regarding quiet EV’s and hybrids for that matter, NYC Parks had to put beepers on everything because you’d be strolling in a park, and there would be a prius sniffing your butt. You’d never hear it in electric mode!

Yes, all Internationals. CNG is relatively easy here with the infrastructure already in place. We even just had a full on natural gas power plant open less than a mile from where I work. It just went online the week before Christmas.

http://www.tenaska.com/tenaska-power-plant-in-pennsylvania-begins-commercial-operation/

The county to the north of us is in the process of converting to an all CNG bus fleet.

https://triblive.com/local/westmore...-two-new-natural-gas-powered-buses-on-tuesday



That Mack is really an interesting piece of equipment. I don't understand FDNY's reluctance with new fuel technology, especially CNG. There is always a concern with something new, but PA successes will tell you that there is absolutely no safety issue with the natural gas technologies available.

 

[Wayne M.]

I think real estate is an issue with a filling station, and they’d rather not have all these BBQ tanks in the tunnels and on the bridges.

 

[Shiner]

Yes, outdoor burner. She eats the fuel (wood)!
The pictures I posted are from a giant oak on an acquaintances property that was damaged during a microburst 2 years ago. I generally don't mess with stuff this big (32"+ 16 ft up) but it is so straight and true it was too good to pass up. I'm going to have some of it milled into boards for something in the future. The wifes been bugging me for another project.

JR, I too have an outdoor burner, and yes it does burn through the wood. But shop is always warm as is the house, and endless supply of super hot water. I tell people that scoff at the work of collecting/processing wood, I save a bundle by not having to purchase a gym membership or diet plan.

 

[bighammer]

I had put a deposit on a Tesla Model 3, but after it finally went into production, I saw there were really no buttons or controls inside except for the touchscreen. I absolutely HATE screen controls for anything in a car. I'd much rather have a knob or button I can feel without having to look. The price had jumped up quite a bit from what it had been initially projected as well, so I got the deposit back. Both of our Prius are doing just fine for now.

 

[jhenderson]

Yes, outdoor burner. She eats the fuel (wood)!
The pictures I posted are from a giant oak on an acquaintances property that was damaged during a microburst 2 years ago. I generally don't mess with stuff this big (32"+ 16 ft up) but it is so straight and true it was too good to pass up. I'm going to have some of it milled into boards for something in the future. The wifes been bugging me for another project.

Be sure to be upfront with whoever mills your lumber. Most outfits shy away from dooryard trees due to hardware. Given the size of the butt log I doubt there’s anybody still alive who remembers back when moms clothesline was lag bolted into the tree about 5-6ft off the ground. Some portable band mill outfits bring a metal detector along to check for that sort of thing. A fella could get cranky after spoiling 3-4 bands.

 

[JR]

Be sure to be upfront with whoever mills your lumber. Most outfits shy away from dooryard trees due to hardware. Given the size of the butt log I doubt there’s anybody still alive who remembers back when moms clothesline was lag bolted into the tree about 5-6ft off the ground. Some portable band mill outfits bring a metal detector along to check for that sort of thing. A fella could get cranky after spoiling 3-4 bands.

I actually take my logs to an Amish outfit just north of me - where they string their laundry from the back porch UP to the 2nd story hayloft of their barn with a pulley system. It's quite the site pulling in seeing everyones underdrawers flapping in the wind close to 20 ft off the ground!
And He does just what you say - run a metal detector around them. Given the location these trees were in I'll probably get him down here to look at them before I even attempt to move them again.

 

[bighammer]

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[Shiner]

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