looking at new work truck

[AMatsonIII]

Thats good to know. I have recieved many different interpretations on weather or not a class A is required. I just lined up a truck for the spring to take the test. That way it won't be an issue.

 

[jhenderson]

AS I have said before, a class A lic. is only req. if the towing vehicle has a GROSS WT. of more than 26,001lbs. Not a combined wt. Big difference. If the towing vehicle has a gross wt. of10,001-26,000, and the trailer has a gross of 10,000 or more, you are required to have a class B. When towing dad's log trailer it would be hard to claim personal use.

 

[MA2LA]

Well I think I have convinced him the 3500 with the 6. 7 is the way to go. now just to find one that is a decent deal

 

[AMatsonIII]

If he is looking used there is an 08 Quad cab c&C on NH craigslist. Think it is in Kingston NH has a utility bed 4x4

 

[MA2LA]

The search continues. Since it will be registered in MD we decided to go with a 3/4 ton. MD has started making it a PIA to own and operate a 1 ton truck(health cards, numbers on the truck and having to stop at scales) so we have decided to get a 3/4 ton gas and so far the 2011 furd is the best choice. thier new 6. 2 gasser is impressive when you compare it to the rest of the the gas 3/4 tons out there and i'm not a ford fan but its about what will do the job... now i just need to find the model and setup i need and thats just has hard as finding the one i want.

 

[RVTRKN]

Well I guess I was right in the assesment of the 1ton/3500/4500/5500 C&C registration delimma, although it now seems to have advanced to the regular 3500 as well now. Please don't tell anyone in California, the Gestapo will change the laws and cost us more money and trouble. :-laf

 

[therabbittree]

I'd still look at a 4500 or 5500 the brakes are much bigger, and the tire rating is good too. The rear Axle is BEEF!... plus with a 2011 the urea offers better fuel mileage and less regens then a egr only pickup... I'd look at a delete any how. I think the 4500 price isn't that much different then a 3500 pickup in fact I've seen low 30kish 4500 4x4's. The extra $ is in the bed , but a 3500 C&C has the same issue. The 4500 - 5500 will last longer and have much better capability. Also remember a 4500 is available with 4. 10 gears if you wanted vs a 5500 not having them.

Thanks,

Deo

 

[PLefever]

thought I might toss is that my 011 4500 is getting mid 15's empty, and pulling around 10 +/-, my 98. 5 with 3. 55 and aluminum bed couldn't do that and weighed 3k less. good mileage for a 10,000lb truck with 4. 44 gears



perry

 

[therabbittree]

thats real decent mpg! especially stock. My Town has a new 2011 4500 4x4 reg cab dump with G56 6 speed manual. It looks awesome. They said it has a ton of power. They same they have had several tank fulls of fuel and only needed a few cups of the Urea. They haven't had to fill it yet only topped it a few times . . said they are very impressed. I can post some pictures i snapped today when I get a chance.

Thanks,

Deo

 

[PLefever]

Thought I would toss in that in 1400 miles I have only used 20% of the def, almost forgot it was there,

 

[HBarlow]

Well I guess I was right in the assesment of the 1ton/3500/4500/5500 C&C registration delimma, although it now seems to have advanced to the regular 3500 as well now. Please don't tell anyone in California, the Gestapo will change the laws and cost us more money and trouble. :-laf

No, you were not right about registration as a general statement as you originally posted it or as you are suggesting now.

Those rules may be the law in MD, but not nationwide or in the states where the citizenry insists on remaining free. Only a few states impose those excessive and arbitrary rules, regulations, and taxation on their own citizens. It is easy to determine which states are that heavy handed by observing which political party dominates the state government.

Individual states cannot enforce their heavy handed regulations and taxes on me or any other free American as we travel through their states as long as we are legal under DOT regulations and the regulations of our home states.

In Texas and most other states my 3500 cab and chassis is registered just like any other light truck. All that is required is the basic license plate renewal fee and then the weight component. My registration runs less than $150/year. My liability insurance is an ordinary private vehicle liability policy, just like my wife's Nissan Murano. I have an ordinary Texas annual vehicle inspection decal on the windshield, just like the one on my wife's car.

 

[HBarlow]

The search continues. Since it will be registered in MD we decided to go with a 3/4 ton. MD has started making it a PIA to own and operate a 1 ton truck(health cards, numbers on the truck and having to stop at scales) so we have decided to get a 3/4 ton gas and so far the 2011 furd is the best choice. thier new 6. 2 gasser is impressive when you compare it to the rest of the the gas 3/4 tons out there and i'm not a ford fan but its about what will do the job... now i just need to find the model and setup i need and thats just has hard as finding the one i want.

Just to clarify for other readers, your company work truck will be used in commercial activity so it will fall under the commercial regulations for registration, and other DOT rules IF it exceeds the 10k minimum weight limits specified in DOT rules. That is the reason why 2500 Rams are built with a GVWR of 9900 lbs. , to avoid being subject to DOT rules when used as company work trucks.

If it were a privately owned and operated vehicle it would probably not matter whether it was a 4500 C&C or a SRW 3500.

 

[RVTRKN]

Just to clarify for other readers, your company work truck will be used in commercial activity so it will fall under the commercial regulations for registration, and other DOT rules IF it exceeds the 10k minimum weight limits specified in DOT rules. That is the reason why 2500 Rams are built with a GVWR of 9900 lbs. , to avoid being subject to DOT rules when used as company work trucks.



If it were a privately owned and operated vehicle it would probably not matter whether it was a 4500 C&C or a SRW 3500.

Gee HBarlow, do you have an attorney in your pocket. :-laf How can you know all State laws and and preach that you know it all. DMV in all states are complicated and there is no way of knowing some issues unless you ask at the DMV and then even that may not be right. Apparently the OP has a State like California when it considers vehicles designed for commercial use like the C&C vrs the reg 3500.



When I purchased mine, even the dealer got it wrong and if it wasn't for the registering of 26K, I wouldn't have known . I was illegal and had to go through the process all over again to include inspection, and weighing of the rig a whole year latter, Which BTW, DMV couldn't figure out for themselves, and had to contact Sacramento to identify the type registration.



Talk about giving bad advise, tell people to just ignore the law and spend 50K on a truck that will cost a lot more in registration as well as insurance, because you know better.

 

[HBarlow]

I know because I can read and understand what I read and comprehend the issues.

I also know because I have experience interpreting and operating under the DOT rules and regulations. I am not someone who is simply a pretender who has only very limited experience and knowledge but who likes to post broad generalizations without understanding that his very limited experience and knowledge is only (perhaps) accurate within his own state and does not apply to other states.

If you think I am wrong, do the research and post the MD DOT, licensing and registration rules to prove me wrong.

My interest, which is very different than yours, is to post accurate and useful information here, not post nonsense to make myself appear knowledgeable.

 

[RVTRKN]

Your full of crap, I'll do better than that nonsense. I will research MD DOT/DMV if you can produce a Bar exam and lic. to practice law in MD.

 

[RVTRKN]

You're scaring the prospective buyer unnecessarily. None of that crap applies to an ordinary cab and chassis owner in the United States. All the excessive regulations and taxes you listed only apply in the socialist state of KA and perhaps NY, MA, and other NE socialist states.

So which is it, all State's, or just the ones that you now claim.

 

[HBarlow]

Prove me wrong, blowhard, don't just posture and try to blur the issue.

I don't need a law degree or license to practice law in MD to read, correctly interpret, and understand the DOT laws nationwide or in any particular state.

DOT regs will apply to the MA2LA's work truck if it has a rated weight in excess of 10k for the reasons I stated, because it is a commercial truck, not simply because it might be a Ram 3500/4500/5500.

My own personally owned truck is a Ram 3500 C&C registered, insured, and used as private transportation and to pull a trailer for personal use. No commercial regs apply. That is true in most if not all states.

The misinformation you love to post is confusing to many and could prevent a member from buying the truck of his choice if he believes you.

 

[RVTRKN]

The point I'm trying to make is for the potential buyer needs to check with his State for the possibility, that it will be considered a commercial vehicle per registration only of it and that there is also insurance liabilities as well. That is the case in California and other States as well.



Just because you think someone should buy a C&C because you bought one is ridiculous. And then to attack me because I have important information someone should consider when purchasing a C&C, is very rude and stupid. I ignored it at first, but when someone else found out there are other fee's and registration issues in his State, I was vindicated. You are a very small but knowledgeable person. I won't deny you know more than me when it comes to towing and hauling, but to try to shut me up so you can convince other people to purchase a C&C is SMALL of you and it shows.

 

[PLefever]

Gentlemen, I dare enter the fray with an experience of my own, I am a small manufacturing company that builds specialty oilfield equipment, we produce a service trailer that is 3 axle and 27,600lb gvw. Federal DOT clearly states that axle centers must be 40" or greater. The law subsection was created 40 years ago before the serious advent of tag trailers and low profile tires, subsequently you simply cannot purchase springs and hangers that will produce anything greater than 38" centers on 8k axles. That being said, we have passed inspection in 47 states. #48 North Dakota has ruled our unit has 1 axle and does not recognize the low profile tires and goes by wheel width resulting in a gvw of something like 17,500, The North Dakota Highway Patrol ruled it 1 axle, 6 tires at 20,000lb gvw. Last week we shipped a replacement unit with custom equalizers to obtain a 40. 5" axle center to comply literally with the law. In my conversation with North Dakota DOT they also ruled my horse trailer, dump trailer and car trailer as 1 axle and would issue a ticket for overweight based on that assertation.

I do not have a point other than, I have seen directly that units within the same government body cannot rule the same, at the same time, same place and same unit in the same parking lot!

I also appreciate reading both of your posts and find you both thoughtful and thought provoking,

good day,



Perry

 

[HBarlow]

The point I'm trying to make is for the potential buyer needs to check with his State for the possibility, that it will be considered a commercial vehicle per registration only of it and that there is also insurance liabilities as well. That is the case in California and other States as well.

Just because you think someone should buy a C&C because you bought one is ridiculous. And then to attack me because I have important information someone should consider when purchasing a C&C, is very rude and stupid. I ignored it at first, but when someone else found out there are other fee's and registration issues in his State, I was vindicated. You are a very small but knowledgeable person. I won't deny you know more than me when it comes to towing and hauling, but to try to shut me up so you can convince other people to purchase a C&C is SMALL of you and it shows.

As always, when confronted with your own posted misinformation you try to sling a bag of waste up against the wall to see if something will stick. When you attempt to twist the statements previously posted you look pretty silly.

If you had suggested that an owner contact his local authorities to determine ahead of a purchase what their interpretation of their local law is, you would have seen no disagreement from me. But that is NOT what you posted.

On more than one occasion you have tried to tell other members that Ram 3500s or C&Cs must be registered and insured as commercial trucks. That is a false statement except perhaps, in KA and, as I stated, could cause a member considering a new truck to make a bad decision based on misinformation. The laws of KA are not the laws of the nation. All state DOT regulations are based on the federal DOT code but some states do attempt to interpret parts of them differently.

I have written many times, a 3500/4500/5500 is not considered a commercial truck under DOT regulations for interstate operation or in states not controlled by socialists.

I have also attempted to explain repeatedly in these pages that DOT regulations apply to trucks used for hauling for hire or other commercial applications such as a painter, plumber, welder, and mobile mechanic but not to privately owned and operated trucks except in KA and other socialist states.

I don't give a damn what other people choose to buy and nowhere in these posts regarding whether a 3500/4500/5500 is a commercial vehicle have I tried to persuade a member to buy one.

My interest here is to educate and inform. When members don't understand why a local DOT cop tickets them or a DMV clerk requires them to register a vehicle a certain way I attempt to explain the reasons. When members such as yourself post something that is inaccurate I attempt to clarify it for the benefit of others who might make a decision based on wrong information.

I think you would prefer not to be challenged, even when you are clearly wrong, to protect your sensitive little ego. Don't post nonsense if you don't want to be corrected.