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Hi. Just interested if anyone is running this kit from Garrett. Besides that they are the known to be the world's leader in turbo technology, I would like to learn from someone that actually owns one. It is a ball bearing heavy duty design, made for our trucks and has a water-cooled center section. The Augest issue of Diesel Builder magazine has a step-by-step picture assisted install of the whole kit.

I think this turbo might do very well in our trucks

Ilian
 
Have had mine for a little over a year now (Powermaxx Stage III) and I can say I am still on the fence if it has been the right choice for me all along. It has awesome spoolup , and is sturdy as all getout (Major plus as the Roller bearing shaft is much larger than your standard bushing/oil film setup) Now with my mods I am having a heat issue. Higher all around egt's. I can only ascimilate this to the fact that you have this aggressive turbo , lots of fuel, and are force feeeding a STOCK exhaust outlet.



They say that with a RB turbo with a water cooled center section such as mine you need not EXTENDED idle down. I call BS on that and still shut down @ 350 pre turbo anyhow. Because even tho the senter is water cooled you still have oil in contact with the shaft where the bearings reside.



Power ... Hmmm It dishes out flow but at what drive pressures ... ??? As EGT's sure don't reflect a 1:1 And whats more is that ever present 1. 2 - 1. 5 lbs of boost allways present at idle (Blue chip FMS readings) And I sure cannot see theese things being capable of supporting 400 HP OVER stock. . I just cannot see that.



But for an on highway turbo when RPM's are allways in an area to dish out some spooling it is the turbo for instant response. I can go from 10-40 LBS in less than a second and you can manage soot very easily with it (When you have those moments of eco- or - Mr. Johnny law caring.



Install can be frustrating for the flange bolts but otherwise is a bolt on unit that sounds good, will perform well with a truck that has mild injectors and a box, and you can bark it like a kennel and not freak out.
 
Thank you, Tim, for posting your experience.

So, that turbo does not come with a 4" exhaust flange for a 4" downpipe?

I thought it did. I really thought it does come with it. That would make sense about the higher EGTs. What made you choose it over the ones from HTT or II for example? Can you adjust the limit for the boost easily?
 
I have had it for well over a year now that I think of it and the PS , SPS in 62 64 66 trim were juuust coming out then. It uses a STOK flanged downpipe that goes to 4". The stock output flange all in itself is a restriction I feel. Boost is safe set at 40 I believe (Alltho I have seen a "Tad" more :-laf) Pressure is not the key here but volume is and it will deliver that as it keeps up with what you throw at it.
 
Ilian...

Toolman called me and told me about your post here and asked me to add to what he has already told you. So here is what I have learned and what I know about these as I run a Stage 3 version on my tuned 12v.



The Garrett GT37R Stage 3 is "advertised" as being able to support 370hp over the stock number. So if you add this with the already at 215 which my truck is at from Dodge then it would seem to make at 585hp,right?. Incorrect oh young student of dieselology as not all is as one seems to be when it comes to the manufacturers claims of power.



My 12v was has a ported head, better valve springs,retainers and keepers,redone P-Pump,custom injectors,Haisley injector lines, and a 150/95 45lb FASS to feed its hunger. I have tons of fuel,plenty of timing to light the charger and when at the end of a dyno pull its still rolling coal. Not having fuel is not a issue,not having the proper charger is. See when my truck wants to make power and with this turbo lit at 1100 rpms,when its time the engine want to make the power the charger is out of map. I have learned that on a mildly fueled truck it may be the real deal and lite later and move the map area out where its needed but on something that has a good amount of fuel and timing(ie-a 12v truck) it will lite to early and be done before you need it. I would imagine a 24v with a fueling box and some mild injectors may be just enough to slow it down and lite it later so you can utilize it in its map range better.



They also have a very bad restriction in their so called "power elbow" which is sued to bolt up a factory 2 bolt down pipe. When that elbow is used it has a 1/4 lip(or wall) that extends beyond the outer walls of the exhaust housing and creates a terrible restriction. That will send egts flying off the chart and before I addressed it I had seen 1700 degrees on the dyno. I took it off and went to a flow bench so we could see what was happening and when the gasses rode along the outer walls they then hit the lip and bounced back into the turbo raising drive pressures and exhaust temps. Before I corrected it I had seen drive pressures that were almost a 2-1 ratio with my boost(meaning that if I had 20 lbs of boost I had 40lbs in the exhaust housing). and as you accelerated they went out of sight. Since all it took was unbolting to change the problem my local shop made a HX40 style exhaust flange to bolt in place of the elbow. We then fabbed a downpipe as a standard HX40 pipe will not work as the Garrett is longer and it throws off the angles bad. Once the new adapter plate was on and the down pipe fabbed I went back to the dyno and no more drive pressure issues were seen. Its now a 1-1 ratio and the highest egts I have seen are around 1500 under a full pull on the dyno.



Now I have had this on for a year now and other than the early problems I have had not one issue with it. The spoolup is insane and will plant you in the seat and its one of the nicest driving chargers I have ridden in or driven. It is very user friendly and has a nice tone to it when you spool it up. I am pleased with the product but not pleased it didn't work out for me,things happen and we try other stuff. One thing I would LOVE to try with the way it spools is to make it the top turbo in a set of twins. Ah yes,thats another dream and down the road as piece at the next rest stop.



I hope I helped you some with what your looking for if you have any questions feel free to ask and I will place a couple of pics in the next posts to show some of what we did to make her go... ... ... Andy
 
Here is a shot of the "Power Elbow" and you can easily see the soot ring in about 1/4 inch from the edge causing the restriction and heat issues. Also note how it goes from 4in to 3in in the neck area causing restriction... . Andy
 
Here are photos of the new flange we did and the turbo installed for you. It will now accept a HX40 style downpipe with a minor angle change to make it fit better... ... . Andy
 
Thanks Andy,

Your post and pictures are really helpful. It is information that I could not find.

It always amazes me how much one can learn on these forums. I really appreciate your help. As a company like Garrett I am surprised they did not come up witth a better solution for their power elbow. It should have been made to accept an HX 40 downpipe like the turbos from HTT and II. It would make the set-up really simple. I did believe, though, that these Powermax turbos from Garrett will be a very good, fast spooling turbo for our engines, with a proven, durable design. I think you were more innovative to addapting this turbo to your truck than them (Garrett). It's amazing.

I am very happy you made it work on your own. I do not have the resources to do such a fabrication, so I have to think if I will be able to find someone locally to do such a mod, or get a bolt-on turbo to install myself.

I would like to try of of those. Sure will into it and try to find a place to this work.

I really appreciate your help. Thanks again.

Ilian
 
Ilian. .

Thanks for the kind words,but,all I did in the dealw as chat with the local shop and told him what it needed and he had the adapter made. The Garrett rep was in while we did the install and we even had to explain why it was being done that way. He told us they,Garrett,did the elbow,downpipe mount,because it made the turbo a bolt in install for the average owner.



If you decide to buy the Garrett drop me a PM and I will see what if I can get another flange made. I also,if you would rather use the elbow,can have my machinest remove the restriction wall and exchange my elbow with you for you to try it that way first,just let me know. I love the turbo,its spoolup is insane but with my heavily fueled 12v its out of map when I need it to make power. I never expected it to have a problem like that I can honestly say that part caught me by suprise... ... . Andy



P. S. -You owe Toolman a thanks,LOL. He called me while I was out trucking the other day to get me to answer your thread. Watch him as he is not bashfull when it comes to collecting a return favor. .
 
Of course, I forgot, sorry.

TimToolMan, thanks for your help. I really do. I appreciate all of your help, guys. Without your help it would not be possible to learn and do many of the mods we all want.

Andy, I think I will take your offer, and will try to make one of those turbos work.

I want to install better injectors, maybe Mach 1. 6 or Mach 2, or equivalent from DDP or DD.

A ConOFE clutch will go in too. As well a some sort of mild box, probably the new Tow box from Quadzilla, that will come out in the end of July. I already have an ATS manifold ready to go in. Is the Garrett a direct bolt on to the ATS 3 pc. ?

Those mods I think will work well with the Garrett turbe, what do you guys think?

Give me all of your suggestions and opinions.

Thanks again to all of you.

Ilian
 
looks like an awesome canidate for a secondary turbo in a twinset with a b2. The hot pipe could be made in a way to eliminate the elbow and a external WG could be set to limit it to 40 or even less. Instant spool and high volume what more could you want?
 
Rivercat.....

I thought about that also when I made the change to what I have now.



However,I just stuck to my guns and kept the big single instead and never did the twins thing. I did not want to go that route at the time and sold the turbo instead. Now some two years later I may end up hanging a second charger underneath my HTT PS71 anyway... . Go Figure... ... Andy
 
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