Lubrication

[Barbieri]

I can't understand the conflicting viewpoints on engine oil and lubricants. It seems to me that the investment that was made in getting a deisel engine, people would want to spend a little extra and get quality lubricants. Unfortunately you can teach an old dog new tricks is true in this case. How is changing your engine oil every 3-4000 mile good? It's just what the oil companies want and it costs you bucks in the end. Regular petro based oil is garbage and the current crop of synthetics are no better. I tried Mobile 1 and it doesn't last. The chemistry is their. the oil companies like to keep it for the future so they can say gee whiz look at what we have. I've used AMSOIL since day 1. I went over 20000 miles before an oil change, but I had it analyzed. Result was no degradation in quality, continue to use. All I did was change the filter a suggested. I have a dual by-pass filtration system. I now have 61thou miles and plan on using this oil for over 50thou. I also plan on having it analyzed. I use Synth. in the transmission and rear end, and power steering, and it works fine. I believe it's the chemistry of the oil that makes a superior product and not what name they give it. A friend of mine put AMSOIL in his Toyota truck and now he swears by it.

 

[Dkevdog]

Oh goodie, another oil :-{} . I'm glad you're happy with amsoil, many are. I prefer to change my oil every 3 to 5K with Delo. I really don't care what you call it or what "testing" has been done, it's what works for me. A good friend got 577K out of a Delo'd first gen truck... . before he bougt a D-max .



Kev

 

[amsoilman]

Barbieri'

I happen to agree with you. However, some people do not want to except facts when it comes to oils in the mighty Cummins! Have been using the same oil as you for 23 years along with oil analysis and have had excellent results.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Diesel Freak]

Barbieri





If you read the Bottle for the Mobile 1 you would know that it is not the correct oil to use on the CTD.

 

[Diesel Freak]

oh, and BTW with the mild bombs I have..... there is no way I will run an extended drain interval.



DELO 400 15/40 for me at 3500 miles!



But the Bike and Quad both get Castrol Syntorq 10/30 and get it changed every other ride.

 

[Ncostello]

Rotella Forever!!! Synthetics will flow from the veins of the non-believers!! At least in my engine, thats what I use. I can get it by the gallon at local stores and I like the smell... lets me know its working . I'll get as many miles out of my engine as I can stand to drive using Rotella. I would like to buy a new truck someday too. So letting it wear out is inevitable for me.



I dont think there is any argument that Amsoil isn't good or wont work. Its all a personal preference of course. I like the Series 2000 in my rear-end and transmission.

 

[illflem]

Many folks tend to forget the 5. 9 engine was designed for use in tractors exported to third world countries where synthetic oil has never been heard of let alone available. So what if you get 50k more out of a 500k engine using synthetic. Synthetic or dino will both work fine, use whatever makes you feel good.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by illflem

So what if you get 50k more out of a 500k engine using synthetic.

very true... . and we all know that the rest of the truck will not last as long as the engine..... so that last 50K the body might fall off and you could get killed... . sounds like using Synthetics could be detremental to your safety!

 

[Texas Diesel]

I thought this subject had been beat to death.



If you can get 1,000,000 miles with OEM filters and Dino oil what do YOU think you can improve on?



No Amsoil or synthetic oil equipped CTD has topped 1,000,000 miles so far, when that happens then there might be something worthy of discussing.



I wonder if the guys that exceeded 1,000,000 miles knew they were using "garbage" oil Geee, you must know stuff that no one else knows.

 

[JohnE]

Originally posted by Barbieri

... Regular petro based oil is garbage and the current crop of synthetics are no better. ... I've used AMSOIL since day 1. ...

And your point IS?



This is not to ruffle feathers, but the last I checked, AMSOIL does not produce base stock nor additives. They purchase components and blend.



That said, I use Amsoil. I also use other synthetics. I prefer and need the low & high temperature advantages of synthetics. To each their own.



-John

 

[pwr2tow]

I use synthetic only because it scares the hell out of me useing 15-40 dino oil in sub zero temperatures waiting for 20+ seconds for the oil pressure to come up. With Mobil Delvac 1 (which is the correct Mobil oil to use, not Mobil 1) the pressure comes up about one to two seconds later in sub zero temperatures than conventional 15-40 oil does in the summer. It might not help me get to a million miles but it sure will help me to get to 500,000 miles in the conditions up here. Lets see 50,000 miles in four years!!! 40 years!!! yup by then I'll probably be dead before the truck, combustion engines will be a thing of the past, and my kids will have a nice museum artifact.

 

[Midnite]

I'm thinking this thread was nothing more than a troll to begin with.



But then I'm cynical...



Mike

 

[Paychk]

So when an extended drain interval is used what happens to the additive package? how is that replenished? or is it just depleted till you put new oil in?

 

[JohnE]

Originally posted by ronsram1999

I use synthetic only because it scares the hell out of me useing 15-40 dino oil in sub zero temperatures waiting for 20+ seconds for the oil pressure to come up. ...

That was the longest 20 seconds of my life, too.

Originally posted by Midnite

I'm thinking this thread was nothing more than a troll to begin with. ...

hmmmmm?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Here's a shot of the Delo 400 15/40 on the dipstick from by '02 at 3500 miles on the oil:



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NOW, That oil will probably be slightly darker and more contaminated in the next 1500 miles - at which point, I will change it and stock filter and bypass I use - it's the proper oil for use in my engine, and has an irreproachable track record for excellence... IF you can look at YOUR extended drain oil on YOUR dipstick, and HONESTLY claim you PREFER the way YOURS looks compared to mine... .



Well, what more can I say...

 

[fest3er]

Originally posted by Paychk
So when an extended drain interval is used what happens to the additive package? how is that replenished? or is it just depleted till you put new oil in?

It is replenished with every filter change.

When using extended drain intervals, one still needs to change the filter(s) on a regular basis, because they do filter guck out of the oil and will eventually clog if not changed.

So, when the filter is changed every 7K-10K miles (and the bypass every 14K-20K miles), each old filter contains about a quart of oil that must be replaced with fresh oil. It is this fresh oil that keeps the additives well above required levels.

Fest3er

 

[Bug Out]

Synthetic Shell Rotella 5-40

I was using Shell Rotella Synt. 5-40 on my 97 12V knowing the oil leak issue might arise. (I Had almost 100,000 on the motor when i started using it)



It started leaking oil around the pan and real seal on a round trip to phoenix. ( 3rd oil change-10,000 miles use of that type oil)



I changed back to 15w40 and the leaks stopped.



I really liked the oil, as i has a sample test done on some after running round trip HARD to oklahoma and back to ca towing a 15,000 # 5th wheel almost 5000 mi. the lab said it seemed barely used and all metals contents were real low.



But, I went back to dino oil and 3000 mile changes as I'd rather not have the leaks.



I do believe synth. are better then dino, but like others have said, use them in newer with less miles if you prefer.

 

[Midnite]

Originally posted by JohnE

Originally posted by Midnite



I'm thinking this thread was nothing more than a troll to begin with. ...

hmmmmm?

A troll is basically a post designed to generate large amounts of replies, but it usually tends to be purposely inflammatory. Basically "trolling" for replies. My (cynical) assumption is that Barbieri is just trying to drum up business for himself, but I'd love to be wrong.



Mike

 

[Ncostello]

Well it was his first post. Hopefully there were not any intentions to start an oil war or post a troll. It would be hard for anyone to post for the first time on this subject without ever having searched the forum archives and read the discussion on this.

 

[John Berger]

Originally posted by Tejas Deezul

I thought this subject had been beat to death.

Yeah, right. :-{} This subject has not yet begun to be beat to death.

If you can get 1,000,000 miles with OEM filters and Dino oil what do YOU think you can improve on?



No Amsoil or synthetic oil equipped CTD has topped 1,000,000 miles so far, when that happens then there might be something worthy of discussing. .

I know that the 1,000,000 mile engine makes an elegant argument in favor of dino oil, but it is the rare exception to the rule of shelf life for our trucks. Most of us can't imagine getting to a million miles on our engines, let alone actually accomplishing it. We have lives, and jobs that support those lives. There is not enough time to drive that many miles. The Delo obviously did it's job, but it is in no way a valid argument against using synthetic oil, or that synthetic oil will not get an engine to that amount of miles. I find your argument superfluous and ostentatiously tacky. :-laf



Now let me go get the dictionary and make sure I didn't say something nasty and inflammatory. For that matter, I need to find out what the hell I just said. :-laf



P. S. I find oil brand threads to always be interesting and entertaining.