Lug Centric 19.5 vision wheels

[lmabey]

I thought I was going to order the 19.5 vision wheels but I'm finding out they are lug centric, apparently the mode of dealing with it is to torque the wheels down before lowering the vehicle.

I've been looking for some metal adapters for the vision wheels but have not had any luck yet. The stock hub diameter is 122m, the bore on the visions is 124.5. Something about putting shear force on those studs does not seem right. Have other folks found an adapter that has worked?

Thanks

 

[seafish]

Here is a link to the company that several us bought very nice adapters from---

http://www.motorsport-tech.com/hub_rings.html

And if you are interested, heres is a TDR thread about hub vs lug centric wheels--

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...N-hub-centered-rims?highlight=lug+hub+centric

 

[wiley75]

I'm running 19.5" Vision wheels on my 2008 dually. No issues with the lug centered wheels, even with heavy payloads on really rough roads. I run the Vision supplied black nylon centering rings on the inner rear wheels of course.

 

[AH64ID]

I have the Visoin's on my 3500 SRW and haven't had an issue. Most of my heavy driving has about 7-7,500# on the rear axle and many miles on dirt roads. I have had the rear axle around 9K once, on a VERY rough road for about 35 miles and didn't have any issues... but I am not sure what would happen anyhow.

The company that seafish listed is one I have looked at, and would consider (no real reason why) but I swap back to OEM wheels in the winter and I am not sure how easy they would be to remove annually.

wiley, are the nylon rings a DRW wheel thing? I didn't receive anything with my SRW Type 81's.

 

[wiley75]

Yeah, they are a dually thing. Because the wheels are lug centered, there is no way to center the inner wheels on the duals. So they provide a black nylon centering ring that slips over the axle/hub, then the wheel slips over it. Makes it hub centered so to speak. The outer rear wheels and front wheels are lug centered. The nylon rings look just like the ones Seafish pointed out, but they are made of some type of amazingly tough nylon material rather than aluminum. Once in a campsite I parked with my inner wheel on a wood block therefore lifting the outer wheel off the ground. 11' Lance in the bed. Sat like that for a week. I thought for sure that the ring would get squished somehow but nope, not even a mark on it.

 

[lmabey]

From what I was told the duallys come with a hub adapter. The place I'm getting the wheels from said they would throw in the "nylon-plastic" hub adaptors. So apparently the SRW type 81's don't automatically come with them. Don't know why?

 

[wiley75]

On a SRW all 4 wheels are lug centered. No need for nylon rings (hub adapters)

 

[seafish]

IMO, the the only reason to use the hub centric ring adapters is to ensure an EASY proper fit installation of the wheels, but that can also be done simply by careful attention to lug nut tightening procedures, which is a dam good idea anyways…lol. That being said, I bought the adapters because I like T6 aluminum…I used ALOT of antisieze on the install.

AH64ID I also will start swapping winter and summer wheels….the pizza cutters on my 19.5 just don't work well in the winters around here in off road situations. Can you refresh my memory as to what shoes you are wearing on both your 19.5 rims and your 17" rims.

 

[AH64ID]

My 19.5's are M608z's in 245/70R19.5, and a great tire. They are quiet, smooth, and track well. I put lots of dirt road miles on them.

My 17's are BFG KM2's in 255/80R17. Where I elk hunt the road is NASTY, and it eats tires up so I want the softer ruber of LRE's. I really like the 255 size and will be due for a new set for the 2016 Hunting season. I am not sure if I will stick with KM2's or the Cooper that was recently released in the same size.

 

[Road Dog]

I always thought that flat nut = hub-centric and tapered nut = lug-centric. When I was buying steel wheels (for Winter tires) for my SUV (tapered nuts) I had the choice of a specific hub-centric wheel or a generic lug-centric wheel. (The shop recommended hub-centric if available.) The hub is a friction fit to the wheel -- there's no measurable gap which is how (I think) it should be.

 

[AH64ID]

DRWs need hub centric due to the inner wheel not being able to be centered with the lug.

Either way the clamping force between the wheel and WMS is what holds it in place.

 

[seafish]

I LIKE the looks of the M608z..how many miles on them and how are they wearing for you??

 

[AH64ID]

I have 8500 miles on them and they are wearing ok.... I do have 40% of those miles towing, mostly at 18-19K GCW. Lots of those towing miles are on dirt too, so to be fair to the tires my usage is not easy on tires, no common.

 

[wiley75]

Update to what I said previously in this thread I had to order two new front wheels because the el-cheapo clear coat that Vison uses on their machine finish "type 81 heavy hauler" wheels was failing. After 10,000 miles of summer use only. Disappointing to say the least.

Anyhow, the wheels with the failed finish were 3 years old, and were lug-centric (coned lug nuts and loose tolerance on hub hole). The new replacement front wheels are hub-centric (hub piloted) with a flat washer type of lug nut. So it appears that Vision recently changed their design on the wheels.

Interesting.

laters
Wiley75

 

[AH64ID]

The primary reason for hub centric wheels is that you can stack wheels for a DRW configuration. There is zero benefit to SRW hub centric.

 

[lmabey]

I did get the vision hauler wheels powder coated black. - hopefully it holds up better than the clear coat. They did send me some nylon hub adapters that I installed in the center of the wheel before installing them. Everything has worked great, But were still lug centric but just by a couple millimeters. They do stick out a little further ( about 1.5 inches) so I have wheel flares to install. I have had it out with the camper in a big wind and I must say it does much better but I also have some overload springs now too which I'm sure make the major difference. But it was nice to go 65-75 in the wind depending on the prevailing direction instead of 40.

At some point I may buy the machined adapters that seafish mentioned above but for now all seems good. Thanks for all your ideas on this one