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Some interresting facts and some new history concerning this NEW developing system.....





The history of the diesel engine begins in Germany with the invention of the engine by Rudolph Diesel. Rudolph Diesel ran his engine at the 1900 World’s Fair on pure peanut oil.



__ His intention in his engine design was to make an engine that could be run cheaper by using vegetable oil instead of the new petroleum oil being used for cars. It would also enable farmers to produce their own “fuel” from their crops for their machinery. However, the rapidly growing petroleum industry quickly made their version which was cheaper and would remain so for decades. Today however, fuel costs are obviously much higher and thus Mr. Diesel’s original intent for his engine design can finally be realized by the masses.



__Rudolph Diesel began to notice the need early on for thinning the "fuel" before it entered the engine. What he did NOT understand yet was the knowledge we have gained over the hundred years since his invention. We now know about the need to maintain cetane levels, keep the fuel thin, add detergents to keep injectors clean, add demulsifiers to help separate the water in the fuel, etc.



__Fortunately, DSE's simple system achieves all of these performance standards and more and with less effort and cost than Bio-Diesel or Vehicle conversion.



__ Our own German technicians are confident that Dr. Diesel would approve of our system for its simplicity, cost effectiveness, and performance.



In More Recent History...



Our German technician grew up in Germany where he learned many years ago how to mix a few simple ingredients into vegetable oil to run any diesel effectively. His teachers during those post WWII years were Mercedes engineers who designed some of the world's first production diesels. After moving to America, this knowledge was useless due to the LOW cost of petroleum diesel.



Recently, however, with ever increasing fuel prices he contacted associates in Germany, reformulated the system to work well with modern diesels, and is now making it available to all Americans.



DSE was formed with the explicit purpose of making this knowledge and additive available to anyone for less than the cost of ONE tankful of today's petroleum diesel. We are confident you will find this information valuable.
 
heres the summery on the system



Our System Can Be Summed Up In These Simple Steps



1. Obtain the Correct Oil (we'll show you how to pick it up easily, and for FREE ! )

2. Add the recommended ingredients including our exclusive Alternative Diesel Fuel Additive (an essential catalyst for our fuel to perform as intended)

3. Pump the oil through the filters and into your vehicle. Total cost only $0. 46 per gallon !

4. Drive away happy and richer



__The system we’ve designed is a tried and true method used in Europe for decades. The system employs simple filters to remove waste particles from waste vegetable oil. Our system can only be used with room temperature liquid oils such as Soy, Canola, Peanut, etc. It is not designed to work with hydrogenated oils (shortening). Fortunately, a large percentage of restaurants prefer oil over shortening for their frying. This means it is easy to locate and restaurants are eager to dispose of it cheaply. You will probably need only two or three small restaurants supplying you oil to become completely independent of gas stations forever.



__Then, we show you how to mix the oil with our proprietary blend of ingredients*and in a few minutes you have a high quality, clean burning, money saving diesel fuel that only cost you 46 cents per gallon! We use NO harsh ingredients such as Methanol or lye, commonly used to make Bio-diesel. Instead, our mixture achieves the same goal of making the oil easily useable in any diesel without need for modification of the vehicle. There is NO need to replace anything on your vehicle. NO need to spend thousands modifying you vehicle with special heaters or dual tanks. Our system is entirely focused on modifying the fuel in a simple way, not the car, truck, tractor, or boat.



__ It can easily be mixed with petroleum diesel without any changes to anything. Effectively, your fuel will be a true alternative fuel that runs just as well, or better, than any petroleum diesel.
 
I noticed that none of the technicians who were involved in this formula are identified. Most of the testimonials were by phantoms, no last names. Not exactly comforting.

Pcmedic's site is under construction, don't know how long they have been in business, PC repair and they are still making up a website... ... hmmmm.

I would want to know the chemical makeup of this stuff so that our experts could agree or disagree with what they want to put in a diesel tank. Is this company big enough to pay for repairs caused by their product? It seems to me like there is NO real verifiable expert and NOBODY that will stand up and put his name on the line for this product.



I will wait and if it proves to be useful I will concider it but with all the people searching for ways to run used oil this will be one of those too good to be true products... . and you know the rest of that saying.
 
I asked our waste oil hauler (motor oil) the other day where the waste goes. . he said they haul back to a refinery that cleans and recycles it for use all over again in addition to that many ships use it to run their diesels. I said. . really, the ships diesels? and he said yep, what they do is run on diesel fuel when near land for EPA regulations and once far enough out they swap over to waste oil.



Now don't laugh but cuz now this gets me to thinking. . with the associated runaway engine of a bad turbo seal couldn't it be possible to have a single injector on the intake possibly driven by an on board compressor to overcome boost pressures and inject filtered waste oil from a bed mounted tank to greatly "enhance" mpg vs running straight oil?



Going that route keeps the waste isolated from the fuel system. It would clog a CAT for sure and anyone selling such a kit would go to jail so its just thinking out loud.



Maybe pressurize the tank with 2-3 psi air for flow and then up that to a much higher pressure at the nozzle for atomization... crazy or 30mpg or what??
 
nps said:
Bottom line - look like a scam to you too?



Probably the same people offering the fuel purchase rebate club - join our club, save your fuel receipts and we will send you a check every month ;)



I did some looking at their registration for the site. This site is also listed at the same address.

house of ill-repute



Till someone publishes a white paper on this, I'd be pretty hesitant to put it in my engine.
 
mundgyver



DSE formulation is a blend of WVO using a portion of kerosine, gasoling and some additives. but since it is mostly unprocessed WVO i feel the temp needs to be about 160f. no, i am not worried about my pump because it is a 1997 12v which has the pv7100 bosh pump, and is lubricatited with engine oil. the 98 1/2 24 valve has the bosh pv44 pump which is lubricated by the fuel.
 
And that Fuel is getting LESS, and LESS lubricity all the time... ...



WVO is an oil but it is by far more "slippery" than #2
 
eric



it looks like you and i are the only non-skeptics on this thread. i figure i just spent 39. 95 plus s&h to further my education. by the way, based on the cost of kerosine and gas in my area it will cost . 63 per gal.
 
JEricson said:
eric



it looks like you and i are the only non-skeptics on this thread. i figure i just spent 39. 95 plus s&h to further my education. by the way, based on the cost of kerosine and gas in my area it will cost . 63 per gal.
Whoa, don't get suckered by the hype. 63 cents? not likely! Time IS money. People seem to forget that. It takes what, about 5 minutes filling up at the pump. Bet it takes lots more time making a tank of home-brew. Time spent tinkering with the setup, replacing filters, cleaning up, etc. Time sourcing supplies and gathering them up. Time spent transferring the stuff to storage and then transferring it into the truck. All that time adds up and is worth money.



Plus every single thing that has to be paid for, from the equipment to containers to consumables to electricity to waste disposal costs, all count towards the price per gallon. Fuel and wear and tear on your truck while running around collecting supplies counts as well.



Any mods you have to do to your truck adds to the overall cost.



I'm not trying to discourage you, it still may work and may even be cheaper than at the pump, but don't kid yourself, its not going to cost even close to . 63 per gallon.
 
Saying it is . 63/gal is misleading unless all the costs are included.



Will you be willing to sell the finished product for . 63/gal?



I think its cool people want to make their own fuel and accept all the risks involved with that, just trying to point out the often overlooked (or purposely left out) costs associated with making it.
 
Mundgyver



I also looked into this. but making biodiesdel and the DSE formulation are two entirely different processes. making biodiesel is reprocessing WVO in a still using methane and lye. the DSE process is a blend of WVO kerosine, gas and several additives. just filter, mix and go.



the eason the DSE system appeals to me is, i am afull tim RV,er. my truck kas a 65 gal aux tank and 35 gal oem tank. the aux tank can be used as the blending tank and with an onboard filtering system i am totally mobile.
 
I would like to see one of these systems up close and personal. :) The idea is great, but what do you do with the waste :confused: The left over material, can it be used for something else, can it be dumped down the drain and not be considered toxic waste, like motor oil being handled with care, what about the waste that is generated here, what is the proper and correct method for disposal :confused:



Questions, questions and more question, that is my lot in life before I invest :D
 
mundgyver



there is no waste. this is not a system. you will burn 100% of everything you put in your tank. do not be confused with biodiesel. this is NOT BIODIESEL. there is no system to see. most of your questions would be answered by the $50. 00 info manual and bottle of DSE additive. i have not tested in my truck yet but hope to next week, after i install my heated filter.



P. S. I AM IN NO WAY AFFILIATED WITH DIESEL SECRET ENERGY (DSE)

i am just trying to find a better way to skin a cat just like you.
 
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