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On the max fuel screw on the back of the VE, is there a "too far" point as far as screwing it in goes? In other words, do you hit a point where your HP increase plateaus, and all you're doing from there on is bringing up the idle, EGTs, and fuel consumption.



Reason I ask is that my idle is too high, my EGTs are way too high, my truck gets the fuel economy of a freight train when I used to get 18-20mpg, but I love the power I have. If I back out that screw a little to bring back a normal idle and whatnot, will I lose some ponies?
 
You will lose some power... . (and might stop breaking stuff).

However the mileage can be controlled by your right foot.

A diesel only uses fuel based on horsepower used... if you have and don't use your mileage will go up.

But if you need to back it off because you MUST drive with your foot thru the firewall, then yes, back off the screw.

That's why I leave mine at a somewhat reduced power level..... ;)
 
You gotta watch out, because you screw it in too much and it might runaway. When you cant bring your idle back down that usually means its in a little too far.
 
I actually took my idle adjustment screw out cuz it was backed all the way anyway. I took it off to get it out of the way to get the pump top off and just never put it back on. My truck idles between 1000 and 1100, depending on temperature.
 
Oo well I did work to my brothers truck and his fuel screw is all the way in, I set the idle and didn. t take the screw all the way out. You can also adjust the idle a lot by taking that lever of the shaft and moving it a spline.
 
I have noticed times when turning in the power screw DID result in a loss of MPG, driving style staying the same. That is an indicator to me that something isnt right inside the pump. Plus, with your auto, if you turn it up and leave the transmission alone, you are basically raising your convertor stall speed (has to do with the TV cable and line pressure, IIRC), which will reduce your efficiency.



I know it is VERY difficult for someone of your not-so-advanced years (that obviously aint directed at you, Jay) to keep his foot out of it, but try it for a tank or two. :-laf



Daniel
 
Ya know, I always have to be in the lead, but the weird part is, is that there's always another car to catch up to... hmm... .



Anyway, is there anything I can do about the stall speed on the convertor? It seems like when I hit the accelerator, the motor will wind up real nice and fast, and from there on out, its just a game of getting the transmission to catch up to the rpms my motor is at.



Heres my issue though, beyond the MPG, my egts are high enough to possibly vaporize my turbo (that's never happened... ... ) and that is not ok with me either.



I guess what I'm asking is this:



(I hope you packed a lunch... )



When you turn the screw in, your pump gains the ability to push more fuel through, simple enough. But I would venture to guess that it's not exactly a direct ratio. In otherwords, if you turn the screw in twice as far as someone with all the rest of the same set up, that doesn't neccessarily mean you gained twice as much fueling as said person. So assuming our standard unit of measure would be that the amount of fuel you gain from one turn (360 degrees) on the screw is equal to 1F. If you turn the screw 2 times, I wouldnt neccessarily say that its 2F... at least I wouldn't think so. And say you turn it half a turn (180) that wouldn't technically mean your gain was equal to . 5F. So where this comes into play, is lets say you turn it in some ridiculous number... 20 turns... which Im not sure is possible (Im also not sure how far mine is, for the record). If I'm right in my line of thought, that doesn't neccesarily make the fuel gain equal to 20F, does it? Further, I would also imagine that the number would actually slow in its rate of increase. Lets say, for example, at one turn, we're at 1f. Five turns then, is maybe equal to 3F. So by the time we're at 20 turns, your fueling gain is only equal to 10F. At some point, it would take 5 or more turns just to gain another 1F, and eventually the negative consequences (e. g. high idle) begin to negate the tiny amount of gain from just one more turn. Eventually you're just peeing up a rope, put the screwdriver down and back away from the vehicle.



More so how does this then translate into horsepower. Back to the 1F. If we take the amount of fuel gain as represented by the variable 1F, and say that the horsepower gain off of 1F is equal to 1P. I would once again venture to guess that 2F does not neccessarily mean a horsepower gain of 2P, all other variables kept constant. I would once again venture to guess that the rate of increase slows as you up the fueling. So for example on this, lets say that 1F equals 1P, 3F equals 2P, and 10F equals 7P.



Anyone still paying attention?



Now to really make it fun, lets say that EGT increase and MPG decrease is, in this scenerio, controlled by fueling increase. MPG loss I would guess to be pretty close to a set rate inverse of fueling increase (duh). EGTs I would guess to somewhat taper off, but never really slow to the point of... peeing up a rope. 1F is equal to an EGT increase of 1E and a MPG decrease of 1M. 5F, we'll say is equal to an increase in EGT of 4E and an MPG decrease of 5M.



Do you see where this is going?



If my theory has any bit of truth to it, eventually, you reach a point where turning the screw in stops doing anything. More so, there's got to be a point where the actual amout of fuel added stops gaining horsepower, but keeps raising the EGTs.



Lets apply this to my current numbers, and maybe my ramblings will somehow start to make sense.



The only numbers I know for sure are my EGTs are at roughly 1500 (at least) if you hold WOT to get up to freeway speeds. My idle is at 1100, roughly. We'll make stuff up for the numbers I don't know. Lets pick a conservative number and say my horsepower is at 220, and my fuel economy is at 15. Now if I back the fuel screw out far enough to lower my EGTs to 1300, how will that translate across the map? Maybe it wont have too much of an effect. Say, 210hp, 16mpg, 1000rpm at idle. The again, it could have a bigger impact: 190hp, 17mpg, 900rpm idle.



This may have been long, and drawn out, and wasted everyones time, but I'm on the quest for knowledge here, and any intelligent input would be greatly appreciated.
 
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This may have been long, and drawn out, and wasted everyones time, but I'm on the quest for knowledge here, and any intelligent input would be greatly appreciated.



Tippin... I think YOUR screw is turned in a little too far if you know what I mean..... :-laf:-laf:-laf



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not-so-advanced years (that obviously aint directed at you, Jay



Hey... I resemble that remark!! And it's only my timing that's advanced... (think about that one)... ;)



(and with fuel at $4. 45 today... . up from $4. 19 yesterday, I'm advancing to a gasser as soon as my taxes are done)
 
Seems like an automatic will squander some energy, and the amount of air through the engine has an up side limit. I also had to back my screw out because of egt's, tho I doubt I have as much HP as you do and I haven't gotten around to an intercooler yet, and my rig starts out about ,6+tons then I hook a car behind it

I figure when you have max comfortable EGT you have all the fuel you need until something else gets changed.

Water injection?

1500 seems hot, but then I'm older than Jay.
 
Well. . something had changed... I had a bigger turbo until it decided that it didn't like my liberal use of the accelerator pedal. Might I add that my stock Holset never had a problem with my driving habits, and thats whats runnin in my truck right now.
 
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